Andy's bike for sale.

Pilbara · May 15, 2012

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>Gday 2 Wheel Enthusiast's ,
> I'm selling for and on behalf
>of Tracey Caldecott , Andy's 06 Factory Bike, one of the true last
>Factory 700's.
>
>This bike has naturally a lot of History, being Andy picked up the ride
>at the last minute in Dec 05 when Jordi Vladoms got injured, and Andy's
>fateful stage 9,Jan 9/06.
>
>Naturally this bike is more of a collectors item, and would like it to
>go to a good home, hoping to get as much as I can for Trace, Caitlin
>and Mitch, open for offers of $50,000 and over, the price being
>determined if you could and even get one from the Factory would be much
>more and that Marc Comas Factory 450 went for $65,000 Aus.
>
>If your not please forward to anyone who you think might be interested.
>
>Or if you could advertise would be great.
>
>
>Regards.
>
>Rosco Holden
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troy safari carpente · May 15, 2012

While I understand Rossco's motivation and resoning behind putting the (collectors) value he is seeking on Andy's #10 bike... and undoubtedly it is a great cause the proceeds will go to (Andy's family). To be brutally honest 50 K plus is pretty ambitious...

Sure it's an ex-factory edition LC4 700 Rallye and there IS a great deal of infamy/history involved with this bike... given it is the same bike that AC entered and raced his final Dakar on in 2006... So undoubtedly it's worth a fair bit more than just the sum of the parts/second hand value - as far as a collector is concerned...

But by the same token... making comparisons to the 65 K that Marc Coma's 450 RR fetched... well, it's Marc Coma the 3 x World Champion, 3 x DAKAR winner, and the same bike he won a Dakar with...?

The only person (collector) in Oz thoat I could suggest, that may be interested in making an offer anything like that price would be this chap;

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2012/05/05/217945_local-news.html

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788629

Given that he has a collection of Australian motorcycle memorabilia and the "historic" significance of Andy's bike... I'm not 100% sure, but to my knowledge most of the other "racing machines" I have ever seen in the various motorsports museums around the place, have been either on "loan" or donated... So I don't know how many potential "buyers" there would be for a collectors item like this... other than - obviously - a well coined private collector.

I agree with Rossco that it would be nice to see the bike go to a fitting (good) home... and the likelihood that someone would buy it, to ride it (at that price) is minimal... given that you can pick up a 690 Rallye Replica for about half that asking price.

I hope that someone see's it, buys it and gives it a good home... it is an iconic bike and a part of the legend that Andy Caldecott left behind.

Outbackbiker · May 15, 2012

Pantah said: ↑

troy, yours is a stupid post. You want to value the bike for a layman's purpose. People spend big money for lots of things that strike their fancy. The wealth out there to acquire such things is amazing. Take the car crowd at the recent Mex 1k for example...

Andy struck a chord with many of us. If I was wealthy enough to buy such things, I'd pay the 50 grand for his factory bike easy. I'd rather have that in my collection than some lame vintage DeSoto, Olds 442 or Mustang 500GT. Collectables are in the mind of the buyer. It's what moves them. Andy moved many.
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Here Here....

Dean Ohlin · May 15, 2012

Pantah said: ↑

................ If I was wealthy enough to buy such things, I'd pay the 50 grand for his factory bike easy.........
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Straight off, I'll bid 100 grand

(seeing as we're having a theoretical auction)

lockyv7 · May 15, 2012

Stick it on e-bay that will let everyone know just how much it will bring.

Russ · May 15, 2012

Let's all hope that it gets as much as possible for Tracey and the family.

tHEtREV · May 15, 2012

woopwoop said: ↑

Straight off, I'll bid 100 grand

(seeing as we're having a theoretical auction)
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Damn, I'm out...

Even in the theoretical auction, my cealing is $30k for that bike, maybe $35k if I get carried away...

Even my theoretical money is tight.

winna · May 15, 2012

Pantah said: ↑

troy, yours is a stupid post. You want to value the bike for a layman's purpose. People spend big money for lots of things that strike their fancy. The wealth out there to acquire such things is amazing. Take the car crowd at the recent Mex 1k for example...

Andy struck a chord with many of us. If I was wealthy enough to buy such things, I'd pay the 50 grand for his factory bike easy. I'd rather have that in my collection than some lame vintage DeSoto, Olds 442 or Mustang 500GT. Collectables are in the mind of the buyer. It's what moves them. Andy moved many.
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+ 1 stupid

hunter_greyghost · May 15, 2012

As an old mate used to say 'It's not where ya start, it's where ya finish that counts'
Hope they accept your bid woopwoop
Cheers
Baza

jtb · May 15, 2012

Pantah said: ↑

troy, yours is a stupid post. You want to value the bike for a layman's purpose. People spend big money for lots of things that strike their fancy. The wealth out there to acquire such things is amazing. Take the car crowd at the recent Mex 1k for example...
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You reckon?

TSC raises some valid points. If sure if any of us had a lazy $50 000 sitting in the ash tray of the car they'd pay up for the bike. REALITY is that there are VERY few people who do. Feel free to quote TSC's full post and itemise the 'stupidity' for us... bugger it I'll do it.

troy safari carpente said: ↑

While I understand Rossco's motivation and resoning behind putting the (collectors) value he is seeking on Andy's #10 bike... and undoubtedly it is a great cause the proceeds will go to (Andy's family). To be brutally honest 50 K plus is pretty ambitious...
Doesn't sound too stupid to me. Expresses a reasonable point of view about the value of the motorcycle

Sure it's an ex-factory edition LC4 700 Rallye and there IS a great deal of infamy/history involved with this bike... given it is the same bike that AC entered and raced his final Dakar on in 2006... So undoubtedly it's worth a fair bit more than just the sum of the parts/second hand value - as far as a collector is concerned...
He says it's worth more than the sum value of it's parts, given that it was AC's last bike... is that a stupid comment?

But by the same token... making comparisons to the 65 K that Marc Coma's 450 RR fetched... well, it's Marc Coma the 3 x World Champion, 3 x DAKAR winner, and the same bike he won a Dakar with...?
Sounds like he's saying that while it is worth a few dollars it's not worth the same amount of money as a 3 x world champs bike? It seems like that too is also a very reasonable statement...

The only person (collector) in Oz thoat I could suggest, that may be interested in making an offer anything like that price would be this chap;

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2012/05/05/217945_local-news.html

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788629
TSC is that 'stupid' that he is even able to nominate a potential buyer...

Given that he has a collection of Australian motorcycle memorabilia and the "historic" significance of Andy's bike... I'm not 100% sure, but to my knowledge most of the other "racing machines" I have ever seen in the various motorsports museums around the place, have been either on "loan" or donated... So I don't know how many potential "buyers" there would be for a collectors item like this... other than - obviously - a well coined private collector.
Another 'stupid' point of FACT...

I agree with Rossco that it would be nice to see the bike go to a fitting (good) home... and the likelihood that someone would buy it, to ride it (at that price) is minimal... given that you can pick up a 690 Rallye Replica for about half that asking price.
I think he's saying he'd love to see the bike sold to a fitting home, but at the price the buyer probably wouldn't buy it? That's just 'stupid' ... isn't it?

I hope that someone see's it, buys it and gives it a good home... it is an iconic bike and a part of the legend that Andy Caldecott left behind.
This has to be the most 'stupid' part of the post... fancy hoping that someone buys it!
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Precis · May 15, 2012

Marketing #101:
"Anything is worth exactly what someone's prepared to pay for it...."
Certainly the value in Andy's bike is in its history, not in what it can do - factory bike or not, it's 7 years old and advances have been made - and it's no longer eligible for the race it was built for - the Dakar. (Though I have no doubt it'd be one hell of a ride!)
Ergo, the bike's already a museum piece - or at best, a wealthy man's weekend toy, if you take the position that bikes were built to be ridden and what man has made, another man can repair.
I know a guy who has an ex-Perkins Bathurst-winning V8 - historic yes - and he races it too.
I doubt Flea-bay would attract a realistic market value for Andy's bike - but a decent reputable auction house might.

tHEtREV · May 15, 2012

I really get the feeling that you people who claim Troys post is a "stupid post", really havent thought about it.

You are saying $50k (almost twice the going price for an original factory Rallye that is in perfect condition, remembering the state Andys bike was after the accident) is a good price but you have no intention of buying it.
Troy does have a very good point, and even without knowing anything about the people who are saying it is a stupid post, I can safely say that Troy knows more about the subject than they do.

If it is a historically significant bike youre after, you would be better of chasing down the #24 bike from the 98 Dakar

dirty dennis · May 15, 2012

I'd prefer the motorex one parked next to it. that was the bike that made a lot sit up & take notice. I've seen soemwhere a great shot of Andy on the green one in full flight through the desert, front wheel barely on the deck. Absolute magic..Actually what i'd REALLY like is about 5% of his ability. That would improve the performance of the 950 no end!!

slowbike smallpenis · May 15, 2012

Pantah said: ↑

troy, yours is a stupid post. You want to value the bike for a layman's purpose. People spend big money for lots of things that strike their fancy. The wealth out there to acquire such things is amazing. Take the car crowd at the recent Mex 1k for example...

Andy struck a chord with many of us. If I was wealthy enough to buy such things, I'd pay the 50 grand for his factory bike easy. I'd rather have that in my collection than some lame vintage DeSoto, Olds 442 or Mustang 500GT. Collectables are in the mind of the buyer. It's what moves them. Andy moved many.
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Do the Turtle thing mate.

Troy's comments are not derogatory or negative in any way - Pure hard facts my friend - that does not diminish from the respect he or anyone else has for Andy and his memory.

Precis · May 15, 2012

slowbike smallpenis said: ↑

Do the Turtle thing mate.

Troy's comments are not derogatory or negative in any way - Pure hard facts my friend - that does not diminish from the respect he or anyone else has for Andy and his memory.
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Hmmm, Pantah's post now deleted, but his ghost lives on in the machine.
Looks like he took your advice!

tHEtREV · May 15, 2012

Welcome to the TSC love fest Pantah.

Dr AT · May 15, 2012

Knowing what was paid for one of andys used 660's when he was alive , as well as what was paid for a new one around the same time, I hope troy is wrong but I suspect he's right.

Either way, they are awesome bikes and it's a crime to park one in a museum . I wish I had the $ spare to buy it just simply to make sure it got used.

Please MR KTM, can you mass produce these bikes but get them through ADR somehow.

jtb · May 15, 2012

Dr AT said: ↑

Please MR KTM...
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Be nice if KTM Australia would buy it... for the families sake.

PBee · May 15, 2012

dirty dennis said: ↑

I'd prefer the motorex one parked next to it. that was the bike that made a lot sit up & take notice.
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It's at the Birdwood Mill nat motor museum SA, JustDan should have a photo of it.

troy safari carpente · May 15, 2012

A post - from me - only a few hours after the news and details of AC's accident came through...

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</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #575757 1px solid" id=td_post_2197343 class=alt1>As I can see on the web, news of this terrible tradgedy is starting to filter through down under to the many people in Australia who have been following this tremendous aussie champions efforts in the deserts of africa. As an ex-patriot australian living here in europe AC's efforts over the last three years in DAKAR - indeed his entire motocross and more recently Safari' racing career - have been awe inspiring...

To Andy's wife, family and friends at home in Oz, our sincerest condolences. To the fantastic community of Keith in SA and the peoplewho put their whole hearted support behind Andy's assault to conquer the ultimate challenge in rally raids... we are sadened by the passing of your #1 son...

I hope that you all can find a little consolation - and I am sure that Andy would have got a kick out of knowing - that many of the european fans over here have the Aussie (w)underdog into their hearts... as a result of his fantastic results and down to earth personality.

rest well mate!
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The purpose of my original post in THIS thread was merely to address (what I beleive) to be a fairly "ambitious" valuation of the motorcycle in question - taking into account the historic vs. "market" value. I knew and respected Andy Caldecott - the person - for what he could do both on AND off a motorcycle... personally; long before most of the "Adventurist cum lately" types from across the pond, had even heard of this champion bloke, or his untimely demise. So if my post was "stupid", I guess I'll have to leave that for the experts on the subject to determine, but I stand by what I said about the "valuation".

While I can also hope that there might be a benevolent individual out there prepared to pay the asking price of 50 K plus; purely for the privelige of owning Andy's #10 bike as a collectors item. I fear the reality of the situation is that the bikes current "market" value is somewhat less than that... fetching much more than 25 K - for example - on ebay would be miraculous, given that most peoples motivational starting point for bidding on such sites is to find a bargain (ie: get it as cheaply as possible).

If the prime motivation for selling is for the bike to find a "fitting" home AND for the proceeds to assist Andy's wife and children in the future, then perhaps a charity auction at a reputable auction house is the best alternative.

The #10 bike IS probably worth more (to the right person) than just the sum total of what its second hand valuation is... In the end; to whom it is sold and for how much is pretty much for the Caldecott family and their representative to decide. I can hope that the sale generates as much return as possible to assist Tracey, Caitlin and Mitch in the immediate future... and that for the kids, their dad's bike finds a home where it is well kept and appreciated.

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