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sleepywombat 06-01-2006 11:19 AM

tiger vs wee strom vs f650gs which one ?
 
my next bike purchase will be in about 12months, but i figured i may as well start the research now and hopefully when the time comes to buy i will have a good idea oif what i want! i currently ride an 05 dr650 (had it 12 months) and i love the thing however i find that i am less interested in the more technically dirt tracks aiming more towards compact dirt/gravel and tar. i commute daily on my bike so comfort is a big factor as is fuel ecconomy and reliability. ive been looking at bikes for the last month or so just to get an idea of what bikes i like. the bikes that have appealed to me the most are the tiumph tiger, suzuki 650v-strom, and the bmw f650gs. good points and bad points on people who have or had these bikes would be great..... i know they are all good bikes im more interested in the bad points people have noticed when riding these bikes.... thankyou in advance to those who reply

Holmes 06-01-2006 11:52 AM

Hmmm.... I don't think you'd be unhappy with any of those bikes...

However, based on my very limited experience with the F650GS I would say that it's probably not going to be a big enough change from what you currently have to be worth it. Plenty of info about it on this site I'm sure. Compared to your DR650 it's maybe a bit heavier, has more available factory accessories (like ABS, etc), probably a bit better on paved roads. Gas mileage is probably comparable (say 60ish mpg?). IMHO it's kinda expensive for what it is - those that own them will probably disagree ;-)

I currently own a V-Strom 650 and love it, so obviously it gets my vote. Based on your criteria it would be a good fit. More power than the BMW. Definitely lots better on paved roads than your DR650, probably a fair bit worse in the dirt. Plenty of aftermarket goodies. Good commuter, smooth, fun to ride on pavement, not so much fun in loose offroad conditions (at least for a noob like me). Reported mileage varies quite a lot - I don't spend much time on the highway, don't do a whole lot of stop and go driving, and get low to mid 50's mpg. Good bang for the buck.

Truimph Tiger - dunno about that one. I like the looks, have read mostly good things about them. Has 'character'. More power, heavier, probably the lowest fuel economy, probably the worst in the dirt (I'm sure there is plenty of info on this bike here). Most expensive of the bunch (bike cost + insurance).

Grunt58 06-01-2006 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Holmes
Truimph Tiger - dunno about that one. I like the looks, have read mostly good things about them. Has 'character'. More power, heavier, probably the lowest fuel economy, probably the worst in the dirt (I'm sure there is plenty of info on this bike here). Most expensive of the bunch (bike cost + insurance).

06 Tiger = $274.00 a year insurance in PA with Allstate. I would think that the Big Cat would not normally be compared in this group. That bike is more in the GS/ V-Strom 1000 catagory. Try the Scrambler it may be a better fit. Try this thread http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141616 or the following sites for Triumph info :
http://www.triumphrat.net/modules.ph...ews&file=index

Tiger only:
http://www.triumph-tiger.com/phpBB2/

cgar380 06-01-2006 03:00 PM

well, I've had all three in this order; f650, wee strom, tiger.

The F will be almost like riding your bike now. I loved it until I rode something else for a couple of weeks. But I would buy another one.

I personally hated the wee strom, It was big and plasticy, and didn't have enough top end, and all in all felt unwieldy. I rode one at sea level for some miles and liked it but here at altitude, it was weak.

I now have a tiger which feels like a dirtbike on steroids. Feels like the F but heavier and more powerful. It still handles like a dirt bike and doesn't have all the jack plastic crap that you break when you tip it over.

That's my opinion and everyone knows opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and eveyone else's stinks.

CosmoSquig 06-02-2006 03:30 AM

I didn't ride the Tiger, but I had F650GS, and now I have a Vstrom650.

For dirt roads F650 is by far a better choice, especially if you choose the Dakar version. DL650 doesn't handle well offroad, it also feels not very tough (the F650 isn't too tough either, but it's tougher than the VStrom). ABS is also a good thing about F650.

I have a DL650 now, because it's cheaper. Besides I do a lot of road touring with a passenger - the DL is bigger and has much more power, so it's better for such riding.

If you ride solo, and the 48HP is enough for you, then the BMW will suit you much better. The good thing is the fuel consumption - f650 takes about 30-40% less fuel then the DL.

Both bikes are very comfortable (the DL's windscreen only sucks) and allow fast cornering on roads. My F650 made about 35000km with no technical problems at all, the DL has 5100km so far and no problems as well (meanwhile Transalp 650 - did 45000km and again no problems). These bikes are simply very reliable.

uconnapharm 06-02-2006 04:08 AM

My suggestion : No decisions untill all 2007 models are released.
2007 could be a fantastic year for new model introductions !
Triumph : a 675 Tiger ?
BMW : an 800GS ?
Buell : a smaller XB9 ULY ?
Honda : has promised 7 new models ; hopefully one will be a dual-purpose ?

Grunt58 06-02-2006 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CosmoSquig
I didn't ride the Tiger, but I had F650GS, and now I have a Vstrom650.

For dirt roads F650 is by far a better choice, especially if you choose the Dakar version. DL650 doesn't handle well offroad, it also feels not very tough (the F650 isn't too tough either, but it's tougher than the VStrom). ABS is also a good thing about F650.

I have a DL650 now, because it's cheaper. Besides I do a lot of road touring with a passenger - the DL is bigger and has much more power, so it's better for such riding.

If you ride solo, and the 48HP is enough for you, then the BMW will suit you much better. The good thing is the fuel consumption - f650 takes about 30-40% less fuel then the DL.

Both bikes are very comfortable (the DL's windscreen only sucks) and allow fast cornering on roads. My F650 made about 35000km with no technical problems at all, the DL has 5100km so far and no problems as well (meanwhile Transalp 650 - did 45000km and again no problems). These bikes are simply very reliable.

One other point, the Tiger puts out :<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 summary="Data table about: Performance (Measured at crankshaft to DIN 70020)" border=0><CAPTION></CAPTION><TBODY><TR><TH>Maximum Power</TH><TD>106PS (105bhp) at 8,900 rpm</TD></TR><TR><TH>Maximum Torque</TH><TD>98Nm (71ft.lbf) at 5,700 rpm</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

So your looking at about double the hp of the other bikes on your list. 2007 is bringing a new Tiger with more hp and a restyle (not to my taste for what I've seen so far).

Dranrab Luap 06-02-2006 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by uconnapharm
My suggestion : No decisions untill all 2007 models are released.
2007 could be a fantastic year for new model introductions !
Triumph : a 675 Tiger ?
BMW : an 800GS ?
Buell : a smaller XB9 ULY ?
Honda : has promised 7 new models ; hopefully one will be a dual-purpose ?

Probably the XR250L dual sport if anything at all. 3 new cruisers and 3 repli-racers.

The 800GS is going to happen. Hopefully they won't price it too high.

Too soon for Buell.

On Topic now. I have a V-strom 650 and love it. Just make sure you don't have any grand visions of flying it through the whoops. Improved dirt and gravel is all the off-road mine can take.

GetYourOwn 06-02-2006 05:52 AM

I've had the BMw 650 nice bike but didn't really impress me on the super slab. Wanted a Vstrom but at the last moment came across a used tiger that was significantly less than the DL650. The Tiger is a super bike. Lots of power and extremly comfortable. It is a little tall and I can't flat foot the bike at stop lights but it is extremely well balanced. If I was going to buy any bike at any price I would buy a Tiger again.

P.S You can usually find great deals on used Tigers if you look around a little

moosey 06-02-2006 06:15 AM

My new 05 Tiger is a week old and will be in on Mon for the 600 mile service. I previously rode an 02 F650GS and put 32K miles on it in 3 years. I wanted a more long distance type of bike that still had the ability to do gravel roads and fire trails. On my first ride, I dropped it in some deep sand but was still able to pick it up easily. The handling characteristics of the
Tiger on gravel roads is not much different than the BMW, especially if you lower the tire pressure in the stock Anakees.

The Tiger is an awesome bike so far. My first long trip is coming up in July from WI to CO, WY and MT.

Rhonda

YardSale 06-02-2006 06:22 PM

I haven't owned a F650 but I have a DL650 and a KLR650. I had a Tiger and loved it...silky smooth. The only problem (for me) was the weight.

I find the DL650 fits right in between. The Wee is lighter than the Tiger but smoother and more powerful than the KLR. Works for me.

Kevin.

Kanook 06-02-2006 10:59 PM

I do not own but have ridden a f650 once and I wasn't that impressed, felt like a heavier version of my XR650 with a little more comfort but a larger price tag. I do however own both a Wee and a Tiger but have not had the Wee off road yet. The Tiger feels very stable on the mild fire road but I think the Wee would probably be a little easier off road due to the lighter weight. As for power the Wee is impressive (i also have the smaller 885 Tiger) but does not feel as smooth as the Tiger. As for comfort the Tiger wins hands down, but for fuel mileage Vstrom takes it, but the overall fit and finish with the Tiger is better. All in all I would go with the Tiger.
That didn't help one damm bit did it?:shog

vbstubby 06-03-2006 03:29 AM

Had a 2000 model 650 Dakar for a few days this week while my Caponord was in the shop.

The Dakar seemed alot lighter than the 40kgs compared to my Capo.

I did no offroad but plenty of backstreets and freeway to get a good feel for the bike. Much above 110kmh (4500rpm) and a few intruding vibes, but up to that speed a great bike.

Am sure it would be the pick off road as well- felt nimble and the thumper engine just loved to rev with nice torque spread.

The Tiger is also a heavy bike, and would be much dearer than the other two - so maybe compare this to a Vee. The Wee is the most road orientated, and IMHO a 650 is fine for those who like to change gears, I enjoy the roll on of the throttle and there is just something about a 1000 V-twin :D

Mr.Grumpy 06-03-2006 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgar380
well, I've had all three in this order; f650, wee strom, tiger.

The F will be almost like riding your bike now. I loved it until I rode something else for a couple of weeks. But I would buy another one.

I personally hated the wee strom, It was big and plasticy, and didn't have enough top end, and all in all felt unwieldy. I rode one at sea level for some miles and liked it but here at altitude, it was weak.

I now have a tiger which feels like a dirtbike on steroids. Feels like the F but heavier and more powerful. It still handles like a dirt bike and doesn't have all the jack plastic crap that you break when you tip it over.

That's my opinion and everyone knows opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and eveyone else's stinks.

I couldn't agree with you more about the DL-650! It's HARD to get a negative word in edgewise about that bike with all the fanatics about. It was nice enough but just was umm..... boring.Kinda like a KLR!

Any way, what year is your Tiger. The newer ones seem to be pretty plasticy too.

Nocturnal 06-03-2006 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepywombat
i know they are all good bikes im more interested in the bad points people have noticed when riding these bikes.... thankyou in advance to those who reply

I haven't had the chance to try the Tiger or F650 but here's my opinion on the DL650 bad points.
1 - The stock bars do not work for me. They either hurt my wrist or shoulders after a few hundred miles. Might be that I'm used to MX style bars, but the sweep (to me) doesn't seem suited to people with wide shoulders.

2 - Seat to peg clearance is on the short side and I'm only 6' tall. An easy fix with either the touring seat, or Fastway pegs.

3 - The stock tires leave much to be desired on something that is labeled a Dualsport. They do hook up well on pavement,gravel or DRY dirt(depending on riding style) but anything involving WET dirt is a disaster.

From what I've read any of these bikes are great for what you are looking for but have to be tweeked. Small stuff mostly, but thats half the fun. :deal


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