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Nata Harli 02-26-2007 09:37 AM

Hotels in Mexico and Central America
 
Over in another area (Riding > Upcoming) geode has created a thread called "The Tent Space List ..."
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149585
(Edit: Now in Trip Planning, but link works)

A great idea :thumb and it got me to thinking about recommendations for hotels in Mexico and Central America. I would be glad to coordinate this as geode has done for the tent space list.

(Craneguy has started to work on a Google map showing the locations of all the accommodations listed in this thread. Here's the link: Hotels in Mexico and LA Thanks, Steve! :thumb)


Here is the information that seems most desirable: (Items 1-4 are the least I'd like to get your input on. The rest would be nice to have)

First I'll just list the info so you can cut & paste into your post (thanks, Teeds):
1. State
2. City
3. Hotel Name
4. Address/directions/coordinates
5. Rating
6. Comments on Location
7. Rate
8. Secure Parking?
9. Hot water
10. AC
11. Fans
12. Service/Language Spoken
13. Overall impression
14. Date of Visit
15. Website of Hotel
16. URL for your trip report

Now, here are the items with a short explanation of what kind of info you could furnish:
1. State
2. City
3. Hotel Name
4. Address/directions/coordinates
5. Rating - Based on your overall impression how would you rate this hotel on a 1-5 scale. Let's say a "3" rating would be AVERAGE. This is a completely subjective rating based on YOUR experience.
6. Comments on location - City and state are important but also what the area around the hotel is like. Does it sit all alone on the beach or is it near the zocalo? Is it within walking distance of good restaurants and bars? If you like to have a cold beer or 2 at the end of the day and prefer not to have to ride to get it. Proximity to other businesses that one might need/want the sevices of while on the road such as internet cafe, laundry, etc.
7. Rate (specifiy dollars or pesos and single/double/triple, etc.)
8. Secure Parking? - Foyer? Lobby? Garage? Courtyard? Comments?
9. Hot water - Y/N, comments
10. AC - Y/N, comments
11. Fans - Y/N, comments
12. Service - What was their attitude towards riders? Does the staff speak English? Did they make you feel at home? Did you feel welcome and appreciated?
13. Overall impression - The less you spend on hotels per night, the longer you can stay on the road. That being said, I am willing to spend more for a hotel that puts me close to an area I want to be. (see Comments on Location). I am looking for a clean room and a hot shower at the end of the day. Don't really want/need a lot of other frills but other's opinions may vary.
14. Date of Visit
15. Website of hotel
16. URL for your trip report -- you did do one, didn't you :deal.

I will try to keep the thread updated like geode has done on the tent space list.

LATEST UPDATE: June 1, 2010

Looks like this is a go and thanks to all for your comments and suggestions. I've tried to incorporate them as much as possible and I'm still open to more comments as this is an ongoing endeavor.

Here's the list so far. The list shows just the basics; please click on the link to get more detailed info. I'll try and keep them alphabetically by Country (after Mexico), State, then City.

EDIT: Here is a new version which makes it easier for me. I've combined the Hotel and Link columns into one called Hotel/Link. Just click on the hotel name and the appropriate entry will come up. The old version is at the end of this but, unless an overwhelming demand convinces me otherwise, I'll only update this version.

MEXICO

State--------------City-----------------Hotel/Link
Baja CA Norte ---- Gonzaga Bay -------- Alfonsina's
Baja CA Norte ---- Vizcaino ----------- See link
Baja CA Norte ---- Puertecitos -------- See link

Baja CA Sur ------ Mulege ------------- Las Casitas
Baja CA Sur ------ Mulege ------------- Hotel Hacienda
Baja CA Sur ------ Punta Abreojos ----- Chelo's
Baja CA Sur ------ San Ignacio -------- Rice & Beans
Baja CA Sur ------ San Ignacio -------- Hotel Posada (?)
Baja CA Sur ------ San Ignacio -------- San Ignacia B&B (?)
Baja CA Sur ------ Todos Santos ------- Hotel(That's the sign)

Baja CA Sur ------ La Paz ------------- Hospedajes
Baja CA Sur ------ San Juanico -------- Scorpion Bay
Baja CA Sur ------ Guerrero Negro ----- Hotel Morro
Baja in general --- All over ---------- La Pinta
Campeche --------- Champoton ---------- Hotel Gemini
Chiapas ---------- Comitan ------------ See link
Chiapas ---------- Frontera Corozal --- Jaguar Co-op
Chiapas ---------- Palenque ----------- Hotel Pasado
Chiapas ---------- Puerto Arista ------ Jose's Camping Cabanas
Chiapas ---------- Tuxtla Gutierrez --- Holiday RV Resort
Chihuahua -------- Alvaro Obregon ----- Hotel Mountain Inn

Chihuahua -------- Basaseachi Falls --- Something Cabins
Chihuahua -------- Batopilas ---------- Hotel Batopilas

Chihuahua -------- Batopilas ---------- Hotel Mary

Chihuahua -------- Batopilas ---------- Juanita's

Chihuahua -------- Chinipas ----------- Hotel Centenrio
Chihuahua -------- Chihuahua ---------- Alvaro Obregon
Chihuahua -------- Hidalgo de Parral -- Hotel Turista

Chihuahua -------- Creel -------------- Villa Mexicana
Chihuahua -------- Creel -------------- Margarita's

....................................Comment by Lone Rider

....................................Comment by Teeds

Chihuahua -------- Creel -------------- Los Pinos

Chihuahua -------- Creel -------------- Sierra Azul

Chihuahua -------- Jimenez ------------ Hotel Florida

Chihuahua -------- Urique ------------- see link
Chihuahua -------- Urique ------------- La Estrella del Rio
Chihuahua -------- Urique ------------- Barrancas de Urique
Coahuila --------- Cuatrocienegas ----- Hotel Santa Fe

Coahuila --------- Cuatro Ciénegas ---- La Quinta Santa Cecilia
Coahuila --------- Saltillo ----------- Rancho El Morillo
Guanajuato ------- San Miguel --------- Casa Noble

Guerrero --------- Pie de la Cuesta --- Hotel Juanita(?)
Oaxaca ----------- Oaxaca ------------- Pasada San Cristobal
Oaxaca ----------- Puerto Excondido --- Rockaways
Quintana Roo ----- Isla Mujeres ------- Hotel Carmelita

Sinola ----------- El Fuerte ---------- Gomez Farias
Sonora ----------- Gomez Farias ------- Hotel Victoria
Sonora ----------- Hermosillo --------- Hotel San Martin(?)
Sonora ----------- Hermosillo --------- La Siesta Motel

Sonora ----------- Sonoyata ----------- Hotel San Francisco

Tamaulipas ------- Soto la Marina ----- Hotel El Rey

Veracruz --------- Tiacotaplan -------- Hotel Cardel
Veracruz --------- Tuxpan ------------- Hotel Riviera (?)
Yucatan ---------- Chichen Itza ------- Dolores Alba


BELIZE
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link


COSTA RICA
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link


EL SALVADOR
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link


GUATEMALA
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Alta Verapaz ----- Coban -------------- Hotel Carlos V
Huehuetenango ---- Huehuetenango ------ Hotel Mary
Peten ------------ El Naranjo --------- Hotel San Francisco
Peten ------------ Flores ------------- Hotel Mayab
Peten ------------ Flores ------------- Hotel Peten

Peten ------------ Poptun ------------- Finca Ixobel
Peten ------------ El Remate ---------- La Casa de Don David

Peten ------------ El Remate ---------- La Casa de Don David

Solola ----------- San Pedro La Laguna- Hotel
Quetzaltenango --- Quetzaltenango (Xela)-Hotel Villa Esmeralda
Quetzaltenango --- Quetzaltenango (Xela)-Casa San Bartolomé


HONDURAS
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Copan ------------ Copan Ruinas ------- Hotel Mar Jenny
Copan ------------ Copan Ruinas ------- Hotel Patty




NICARAGUA
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Managua ---------- Los Cedros --------- La Quinta Beth-El

Rivas ------------ San Jorge ---------- Hotel California


PANAMA
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Chirqui ---------- David -------------- [url=Hotel Puerta del Sol[/FONT]



LATEST UPDATE (for this older version): April 28, 2010


MEXICO

State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Baja CA Norte ---- Gonzaga Bay -------- Alfonsina's ------------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=38
Baja CA Norte ---- Vizcaino ----------- See link --------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Baja CA Norte ---- Puertecitos -------- See link --------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Baja CA Sur ------ Mulege ------------- Las Casitas ------------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=17
Baja CA Sur ------ Mulege ------------- Hotel Hacienda --------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=39
Baja CA Sur ------ Punta Abreojos ----- Chelo's ---------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=37
Baja CA Sur ------ San Ignacio -------- Rice & Beans ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=36
Baja CA Sur ------ San Ignacio -------- Hotel Posada (?) ------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=73
Baja CA Sur ------ San Ignacio -------- San Ignacia B&B (?) ---- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=73
Baja CA Sur ------ Todos Santos ------- Hotel(That's the sign) - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=35
Baja CA Sur ------ La Paz ------------- Hospedajes ------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Baja CA Sur ------ San Juanico -------- Scorpion Bay ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Baja CA Sur ------ Guerrero Negro ----- Hotel Morro ------------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Baja in general --- All over ---------- La Pinta --------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Campeche --------- Champoton ---------- Hotel Gemini ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chiapas ---------- Comitan ------------ See link --------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chiapas ---------- Frontera Corozal --- Jaguar Co-op ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chiapas ---------- Palenque ----------- Hotel Pasado ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chiapas ---------- Puerto Arista ------ Jose's Camping Cabanas - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chiapas ---------- Tuxtla Gutierrez --- Holiday RV Resort ------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chihuahua -------- Alvaro Obregon ----- Hotel Mountain Inn ----- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=105
Chihuahua -------- Basaseachi Falls --- Something Cabins ------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chihuahua -------- Batopilas ---------- Hotel Batopilas -------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...52&postcount=6
Chihuahua -------- Batopilas ---------- Hotel Mary ------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=25
Chihuahua -------- Batopilas ---------- Juanita's -------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=34
Chihuahua -------- Chinipas ----------- Hotel Centenrio -------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chihuahua -------- Chihuahua ---------- Alvaro Obregon ---------http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=105
Chihuahua -------- Hidalgo de Parral -- Hotel Turista ---------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=111
Chihuahua -------- Creel -------------- Villa Mexicana --------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chihuahua -------- Creel -------------- Margarita's ------------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=20
....................................Comment by Lone Rider..----- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=22
....................................Comment by Teeds.......----- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=23
Chihuahua -------- Creel -------------- Los Pinos -------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=33
Chihuahua -------- Creel -------------- Sierra Azul ------------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=52
Chihuahua -------- Jimenez ------------ Hotel Florida ---------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=103
Chihuahua -------- Urique ------------- see link --------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chihuahua -------- Urique ------------- La Estrella del Rio ---- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Chihuahua -------- Urique ------------- Barrancas de Urique ---- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Coahuila --------- Cuatrocienegas ----- Hotel Santa Fe --------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=102
Guanajuato ------- San Miguel --------- Casa Noble ------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=116
Guerrero --------- Pie de la Cuesta --- Hotel Juanita(?) ------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Oaxaca ----------- Oaxaca ------------- Hotel Real de Antequera
Oaxaca ----------- Playa Zipolite ----- Pasada San Cristobal --- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Oaxaca ----------- Puerto Excondido --- Rockaways -------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Quintana Roo ----- Isla Mujeres ------- Hotel Carmelita -------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=80
Sinola ----------- El Fuerte ---------- Gomez Farias ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Sonora ----------- Gomez Farias ------- Hotel Victoria --------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Sonora ----------- Hermosillo --------- Hotel San Martin(?)----- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Sonora ----------- Hermosillo --------- La Siesta Motel -------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=145
Sonora ----------- Sonoyata ----------- Hotel San Francisco ---- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=79
Tamaulipas ------- Soto la Marina ----- Hotel El Rey ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=106
Veracruz --------- Tiacotaplan -------- Hotel Reforma
Veracruz --------- Veracruz ----------- Hotel Hawaii
Veracruz --------- Jose Cardel -------- Hotel Cardel ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Veracruz --------- Tuxpan ------------- Hotel Riviera (?) ------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Yucatan ---------- Chichen Itza ------- Dolores Alba ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=81


BELIZE

State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link


COSTA RICA

State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Escazu ----------- San Jose ----------- Hotel Out of Bounds ---- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=106


EL SALVADOR
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link


GUATEMALA
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Alta Verapaz ----- Coban -------------- Hotel Carlos V --------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Huehuetenango ---- Huehuetenango ------ Hotel Mary ------------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Peten ------------ El Naranjo --------- Hotel San Francisco ---- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Peten ------------ Flores ------------- Hotel Mayab ------------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Peten ------------ Flores ------------- Hotel Peten ------------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=99
Peten ------------ Poptun ------------- Finca Ixobel ----------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=69
Peten ------------ El Remate ---------- La Casa de Don David --- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=101
Solola ----------- San Pedro La Laguna- Hotel
Quetzaltenango --- Quetzaltenango (Xela)-Hotel Villa Esmeralda - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=133
Quetzaltenango --- Quetzaltenango (Xela)-Casa San Bartolomé ---- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=141



HONDURAS
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Copan ------------ Copan Ruinas ------- Hotel Mar Jenny -------- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=49
Copan ------------ Copan Ruinas ------- Hotel Patty ------------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=98



NICARAGUA
State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Managua ---------- Los Cedros --------- La Quinta Beth-El ------ http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=133
Rivas ------------ San Jorge ---------- Hotel California -------
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=100

PANAMA

State--------------City-----------------Hotel--------------------Link
Chirqui ---------- David -------------- Hotel Puerta del Sol -

Lone Rider 02-26-2007 10:00 AM

I'd be all over this. :thumb

Suggested this about 3 yrs ago and was told it wasn't this site's cup of tea...

Things always change.
Scooters...who woulda ever thunk it, huh?

kennyanc 02-26-2007 01:48 PM

Great Idea!!! :clap :clap :clap

Hayduke 02-26-2007 01:53 PM

:thumb

CMWoody 02-26-2007 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lone Rider
Suggested this about 3 yrs ago and was told it wasn't this site's cup of tea...

Things always change.
Scooters...who woulda ever thunk it, huh?

Once the GPS forum was an idiot's idea...they laughed...scoffed even..then put it up once they realized GPS was kewl.. Course they thought Scooters were kewl too... Hell in a handbasket I tell'ya, and they just keep hiring more of these crackpot Mods around here...:D

Regardless though, Mex and SA Hotels with locations, prices, ratings and little notes (see X right around the corner, next to that other thing Y. She's got big bewbies) are a great idea. Additional bonus if GPS coordinates are included...even attach a waypoint .GPX file to the post...

CMWoody 02-26-2007 02:36 PM

Batopilas Chihuahua Mexico
 
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Just an example to get the ball rolling so to speak because I have the waypoint. Actually stayed down the street a ways...at the Hotel Mary

Hotel Batopilas 2.5 stars
Batopilas, Chihuahua, Mexico
$10-12USD/night

http://www.coppercanyonadventures.co...0Batopilas.jpg
(actual picture of a much nicer hotel across the river:D )

Directions: Cross the river bridge, turn left. Ride a quarter mile, bear left at the first road on your left. There she blows.

Comments: Dunno much never stayed there. Looks like a sheithole and I've heard theres no secure moto parking nor hot water... (thats why )

rous44 02-26-2007 02:45 PM

Great Idea!
We might even get better treatment/rates if the hotels wanted to get on our list. At least we stand less of a chance of getting ripped off ....twice.
Cost
Secure parking
Hot water
AC
Location
Food
And it would sure save us a lot of time searching threads to find a place.

And Kenny; aren't you supposed to be at work?

Nata Harli 02-26-2007 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rous44
Great Idea!
We might even get better treatment/rates if the hotels wanted to get on our list. At least we stand less of a chance of getting ripped off ....twice.
Cost
Secure parking
Hot water
AC
Location
Food
And it would sure save us a lot of time searching threads to find a place.

And Kenny; aren't you supposed to be at work?

Good ideas on the info.

Work :eek1??? Now that's a 4-letter word for an old retired fart if I've ever heard one :slurp.

Looks like there's some interest so I'll get to work on it in the next day or two. After all, I've got a lot of "work" to do :ricky.

Corky1 02-26-2007 03:42 PM

How about including BAJAin the forum??? :evil :clap

Corky :lol3 :lol3

rous44 02-26-2007 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corky1
How about including BAJAin the forum??? :evil :clap

Corky :lol3 :lol3

Of course. Last I checked Baja was still part of Mexico.
Maybe two categories: one for camping/palapas, one for hotels.

kennyanc 02-26-2007 08:10 PM

Everybody has their own ideas as to what makes a good Hotel.

For me the things that mean the most (for the most part in this order) are:

Name: fairly straight-forward and obvious.

Location: city and state is important but I also want to know what the area around the hotel is like. Does it sit all alone on the beach or is it near the zocalo? Is it within walking distance of good restaurants and bars? I like to have a cold beer or 2 at the end of the day and prefer not to have to ride to get it. Proximity to other businesses that one might need/want the sevices of while on the road such as internet cafe, laundry, etc.

Cost: I figure the less I spend on hotels per night, the longer I can stay on the road. That being said, I am willing to spend more for a hotel that puts me close to an area I want to be. (see Location). I am looking for a clean room and a hot shower at the end of the day. Don't really want/need a lot of other frills but other's opinions may vary.

Service: What is their attitude toward riders? Secure parking? In the lobby/foyer/garage? Availability from the staff of info on local restaurants, bars, and other attractions. Did the staff make your stay more enjoyable? Did you feel welcome and appreciated?

Value/rating: Based on what you feel you received for the amount of $$$ you paid.

Directions: Clear, concise directions to the hotel. Coordinates a definite bonus.

Comments: Any other comments about said hotel including pictures, general cleanliness, other ammenities, etc.

As I mentioned before, I think this is a really great idea and would be happy to offer up my thoughts/opinions on places I have stayed. I am sure many others would also be more than willing to provide info.

Kenny






Nata Harli 02-27-2007 07:43 AM

Excellent suggestions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kennyanc
Everybody has their own ideas as to what makes a good Hotel.

For me the things that mean the most (for the most part in this order) are:

Name: fairly straight-forward and obvious.

Location: city and state is important but I also want to know what the area around the hotel is like. Does it sit all alone on the beach or is it near the zocalo? Is it within walking distance of good restaurants and bars? I like to have a cold beer or 2 at the end of the day and prefer not to have to ride to get it. Proximity to other businesses that one might need/want the sevices of while on the road such as internet cafe, laundry, etc.

Cost: I figure the less I spend on hotels per night, the longer I can stay on the road. That being said, I am willing to spend more for a hotel that puts me close to an area I want to be. (see Location). I am looking for a clean room and a hot shower at the end of the day. Don't really want/need a lot of other frills but other's opinions may vary.

Service: What is their attitude toward riders? Secure parking? In the lobby/foyer/garage? Availability from the staff of info on local restaurants, bars, and other attractions. Did the staff make your stay more enjoyable? Did you feel welcome and appreciated?

Value/rating: Based on what you feel you received for the amount of $$$ you paid.

Directions: Clear, concise directions to the hotel. Coordinates a definite bonus.

Comments: Any other comments about said hotel including pictures, general cleanliness, other ammenities, etc.

As I mentioned before, I think this is a really great idea and would be happy to offer up my thoughts/opinions on places I have stayed. I am sure many others would also be more than willing to provided info.

Kenny

Kenny,

Thanks for the excellent suggestions. :thumb I'll definitely incorporate them.

Hootowl 02-27-2007 07:54 AM

Hotel Batopilas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cmwoodys

Comments: Dunno much never stayed there. Looks like a sheithole and I've heard theres no secure moto parking nor hot water... (thats why )

I stayed there in 2005. I rolled the GS into the small court yard.
The room was big and reasonable clean. There was hot water but no toilet seat (I never use 'em anyway)
The grandmother that owns the place was helpful and a joy to talk to.

MysteryRider 02-27-2007 07:54 AM

You forgot one other attribute.
 
MC Parking.:D

Ride Safe,
Vettster

Nata Harli 02-27-2007 11:19 AM

Got it - thanks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vettster
MC Parking.:D

Ride Safe,
Vettster

:super


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