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KevinColorado 07-26-2008 09:13 PM

BMW 800 GS vs the KTM 990 S
 
My buddies just bought 2 of the 990's and I was wondering what the competition is...

We do a lot of dirt with the pavement simply being a means to get to the next dirt road...

I saw the BMW 800 GS and was wondering if it is as capable off road.

I spent all last week keeping up with these guys on my minimally street legal CRF 450X... great in the dirt... but lousy on those long loops.

So... one vs. the other... how do the BMW's compare to the KTM's if the riding is mostly off road???

Warthog 07-26-2008 10:25 PM

short answer - it depends
 
I think the F800GS would do very well on light to medium difficulty dirt. It is lighter than the 990S, but gives up some suspension proficiency. Not as powerful, but no shortage of power; and of course, great for touring.

Beyond that, I suppose it is preference and riding style.

edteamslr 07-27-2008 02:02 AM

F800 vs 990
 
I tested these two back to back a couple of weekends ago, on road and off road. My last bike was an XRV Africa Twin (Brits for you) so both bikes were going to be more powerful and better handling. The KTM feels like an overweight 'crosser offroad and a supermoto on road. The BMW feels very firm on road, like a normal roadbike with extra ground clearance, and still like a roadbike offroad. Even on road tyres, the KTM felt ready for dirt, the BMW just didn't. Both have razor sharp throttle response but the BMW was worse, especially the engine braking. They were both comfortable and the finish better on the BMW.

I liked both but I'm now in the market for a KTM 990S (no ABS please)

SQD8R 07-27-2008 03:28 AM

Just to confirm, was it the 800GS or the 650GS with the 800 c.c. twin motor? There is a performance difference.

hogmolly 07-27-2008 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edteamslr
I tested these two back to back a couple of weekends ago, on road and off road. My last bike was an XRV Africa Twin (Brits for you) so both bikes were going to be more powerful and better handling. The KTM feels like an overweight 'crosser offroad and a supermoto on road. The BMW feels very firm on road, like a normal roadbike with extra ground clearance, and still like a roadbike offroad. Even on road tyres, the KTM felt ready for dirt, the BMW just didn't. Both have razor sharp throttle response but the BMW was worse, especially the engine braking. They were both comfortable and the finish better on the BMW.

I liked both but I'm now in the market for a KTM 990S (no ABS please)

Nice review. Since off road bikes push the limits of suspension travel and power/weight, what was wrong with the BMW? What made it feel like a road bike?

I've owned a KTM950 (great bike but unreliable). It was heavy but had great suspension.

GB 07-27-2008 06:27 AM

Moved to Beasts. F800GS threads reside in Beasts, not GSpot, as per the posted rules. GSpot is for the Boxer GS's.

Apple Jam 07-27-2008 07:30 AM

Will it fall down someday?
 
The clincher for me was the KTM is apparently DESIGNED to fall down once in a while, the 1200 GS's opposed twin cylinders look very exposed indeed, way more $ than the 990 ADV's plastic fuel tanks if..........:eek1

I suppose the 800GS twin is better......but those paved roads WANT 98 horsepower.
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hunting1 07-27-2008 07:55 AM

motorcycle consumer has a great review in this months addition on the 800GS. They loved everything accept first and second gear and the 4.2-gallon tank. They stated that if alot of dirt was on the menue than switch gearing off the 650GS. I am looking at the 1200GS, 800GS, and the 990ADV as well. Luckily the 800GS is still not here, so the saving goes on. I finally watched the Long Way Down and after seeing them try and pick those monsters up, might have to keep that in mind.:ear

kkug 07-27-2008 08:42 AM

Does any one know who makes the supension components on the 800 GS?

BMW
Showa- Kyaba
WP --That would be nice

Other

I realy would like to know so I can start planing to get it reworked.

Wildman 07-27-2008 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkug
Does any one know who makes the supension components on the 800 GS?

BMW
Showa- Kyaba
WP --That would be nice

Other

I realy would like to know so I can start planing to get it reworked.

Marzocchi front, Showa back.

jerdog53 07-27-2008 10:13 AM

:lurk

kkug 07-27-2008 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildman
Marzocchi front, Showa back.

Wildman Thanks.

Do they have adjustable Comp -Rebound damping front rear ?

What do you think of the performance ?

Do you do any off road ?

Wildman 07-27-2008 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkug
Wildman Thanks.

Do they have adjustable Comp -Rebound damping front rear ?

What do you think of the performance ?

Do you do any off road ?

I got to be honest, I've only got 211 miles on it; all on-road. Just been too busy. Last "gig" before the summer break on Tuesday/Wednesday this week then four weeks off including a trip to the South of France via the Pyrenees and returning via the Alps so will hopefully have some stories to tell. The rear suspension is adjustable but beyond that, you'd better to ask someone more technically-minded than me. Try this:
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148918

markjenn 07-27-2008 11:25 AM

I'm a believer that lighter weight and more suspension travel are the two biggest factors that make a big traillee better for dirt riding. Here's the stats:

800GS: 392 dry, 9" front, 8.5" rear
990: 439 dry*, 8.3" front, 8.3" rear
990S: 439 dry, 10.4", 10.4"

* Doesn't include ABS but the BMW probably doesn't either since its an option

That's my spec-sheet-driving for the day.

- Mark

chas1969 07-27-2008 04:55 PM

I was at the BMW MOA Rally 1 week ago and no demos of the F800gs but one was there to look at.
From the reviews overseas it is fantastic bike. The one major factor I like about the F800GS, S ST is the engine 50-60 mpg. KTM sucks down petrol 35-41 mpg. I think these days it is important to have a bike that gets better mileage than a car.

Chas


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