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Crawdaddy 10-10-2009 12:25 AM

Grand Canyon Loop out of Vegas
 
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My friend Roger and I just completed a 5 day / ~1200 mile loop around the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Grand Canyon</st1:place>.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Trip Report: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=514330<o:p></o:p>
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I cleaned up my active tracks and posted them here for others to enjoy.<o:p></o:p>
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- We had favorable (dry) weather conditions......it would be tough to cover the mileage and enjoy the ride if these roads/trails were wet/muddy....
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- I've included a few optional tracks on the northern side......see the note at the bottom of post one in the trip report.......if you've never ridden in the area I'd suggest taking the optional track over towards the Bar 10 which travels past the remains of Butch Cassidy's Hideout (not really Butch's place.....but the remains of an old structure is marked with a waypoint).......any, this route is more scenic than the Elbow Canyon route IMHO......also suggest visiting the Bar 10 ranch/viewpoint and Toroweap if you have time......both are worthy stops
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- The Kane Trail above the North Rim isn't worth the effort IMHO......I left it in the file but I also drew in the suggested path which is to just proceed up Burma Rd. to 89A then drop back down to the flats on Buffalo Ranch Rd.<o:p></o:p>
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- It's not clear to me that we actually needed permits to travel on the Navajo Lands by the <st1:place w:st="on">Grand Canyon</st1:place> but the day use/hiking permits are only ~$5 so why not make the contribution and alleviate tensions if stopped....you can obtain the permit by calling the Cameron Office of the Navajo Nation.

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- As you'll read in the report, we missed <st1:place w:st="on">Grand Canyon</st1:place> viewpoint number 1 (<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Buffalo Ranch Road</st1:address></st1:Street> area) and viewpoint number 3 (first viewpoint in Navajo lands)......but I left them in the tracks......these are the only two sections of track that I have not actually ridden.......so go ride'em......I'm anxious to see YOUR photos from those two spots....that said, we made several explorations on the Navajo lands......some worked out and some didn't......I cleaned up the tracks to the best of my abilities but they may be a bit off in a couple of areas on the Navajo lands.....nothing drastic.....

- There are two spots on the track from the South Rim to Seligman that could be improved upon (Ranch with 3 gates and Tin House).......I'm hoping someone else will figure out better routes in those areas and post active track patches around the ranch with 3 gates and Tin House
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- SEE UPDATE BELOW - NO PERMITS FOR BIKES OF ANY KIND from the Hualapai to ride down to the CO. river from Peach Springs......

- Best not be shy about sand when you ride down towards Temple Bar Rd./Triangle :eek1 :lol3

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Enjoy the tracks/Have fun!

Teaser pic - "What a view" - Waypoint/Viewpoint # 5 on Navajo lands between Lee's Ferry and Cameron

http://www.dualsportmoto.com/images/...y/dscn0452.jpg
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Strega 06-14-2010 10:59 PM

I'm Roger, and I support this trip :)

David Morgan 07-08-2010 07:29 PM

Hey, do you have any other advice? I've never ridden in the area, so I'm really looking forward to it, but worried about surprises of the bad kind. :D

David
New Las Vegas Show ~ Vegas Tours

bobzilla 07-10-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by David Morgan
Hey, do you have any other advice? I've never ridden in the area, so I'm really looking forward to it, but worried about surprises of the bad kind. :D

I have done this ride 2 years ago. Dont worry about the suprises, They are what make the trip. The people we met out in the not much of the Navajo Nation were awesome. We did get the permit at the hotel for Peach Springs and the Ranger was great also. Get you beer BEFORE you head down to the river. Store just outside the rez to the west.
Torroweep is a must. You can get some strong feelings in that area. Plan on spending the night in the cave at the camp ground.

Countdown 07-12-2010 07:07 PM

Chris,

Great trip, I really need to get over there on the TE.

I have started adding phone numbers to waypoints for Motels and questionable Gas stations.

See my Nevada STMS I just updated on GPSXchange.com

craftycoder 10-02-2010 09:38 AM

Hey Crawdaddy, I put together a GPX storage, search, & display program together last week. I published it last night. Please come and check it out and see if you find it useful. You can store your tracks privately or share them. You can share them but not allow zooming in to close or download. Soon, you will be able to update your tracks online and and export an updated GPX.

<IFRAME SRC="http://www.dualsportmaps.com/embedMap.html?id=F1B39D0E-DB7A-467E-A4DF-44DE660A7E47" TITLE="Crawdaddy's Grand Canyon Loop" width="640" height="480"></IFRAME>

209ninja 10-26-2010 10:58 PM

That is the Shiznip.ight have to call you to see about working your gps site into www.sierranevadaadventures.com

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Originally Posted by craftycoder
Hey Crawdaddy, I put together a GPX storage, search, & display program together last week. I published it last night. Please come and check it out and see if you find it useful. You can store your tracks privately or share them. You can share them but not allow zooming in to close or download. Soon, you will be able to update your tracks online and and export an updated GPX.

<iframe src="http://www.dualsportmaps.com/embedMap.html?id=F1B39D0E-DB7A-467E-A4DF-44DE660A7E47" title="Crawdaddy's Grand Canyon Loop" height="480" width="640"></iframe>


Crawdaddy 10-27-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by craftycoder
Hey Crawdaddy, I put together a GPX storage, search, & display program together last week. I published it last night. Please come and check it out and see if you find it useful.

Very slick.......my riding partner Strega has some ideas he'd like to share with you.....

craftycoder 10-27-2010 08:59 AM

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Very slick.......my riding partner Strega has some ideas he'd like to share with you.....

We've been talking. Thanks for putting us together. I'm working on the software all the time. Next step is drawing GPX files right in your browser. It's going to be very nice!

Crawdaddy 11-16-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by craftycoder
We've been talking. Thanks for putting us together. I'm working on the software all the time. Next step is drawing GPX files right in your browser. It's going to be very nice!

Thanks for helping us launch http://www.DualSportMoto.com last week! The Crawdad Off-Road Events (C.O.R.E.) website will follow in the next few months with fundamental GPS training schedules/rides.

racedawg 11-16-2010 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy
Thanks for helping us launch http://www.DualSportMoto.com last week! The Crawdad Off-Road Events (C.O.R.E.) website will follow in the next few months with fundamental GPS training schedules/rides.

Crawdaddy, looks like a great new site with lots of good stuff! I registered and am looking forward to putting some of those great tools to use. :ricky

Crawdaddy 07-08-2014 08:49 AM

Bypass Peach Springs unless you're traveling in a truck/Jeep
 
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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy
You CAN obtain a permit from the Hualapai to ride down to the river from Peach Springs......keep your cool and show them your bike is equipped to handle the rough terrain......bring cash and ride out the ranger if you get shot down at the lodge (and you will likely get shot down at the lodge)

Update-You can NOT ride down to the bottom out of Peach Springs without potentially facing a $500 fine.

Don't waste your time here.......such a shame. I went to tribal head quarters/met with the tribal council after being denied entry a couple of months ago. I was told its "Tribal Law" that no two wheeled vehicles are permitted to ride down to the bottom regardless of the bike's worthiness/rider's ability & integrity.

My guess is they're trying to control the local teenagers/hooligans from tearing up the area with quads and bikes so they're making a broad sweep and denying passage to all. Told them the same thing.....they sat there stone faced. Tried to appeal to the loss of easy revenue.....stone faced.....told them I'd get the word out so folks don't divert over to town on bikes for a wasted trip......stone faced.

You CAN drive down in a truck/jeep......which are capable of doing much MORE damage than a bike............such B.S.

HogWild 07-08-2014 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy (Post 24568299)
no two wheeled vehicles

I got a sense of the way they lean years ago when I started my Grand Rally project. I ended up routing as far from their land as possible. No sense in spending money where we're not welcome. Found some cool stuff on the other side of I40 instead, South-West from Seligman.

Is there a loophole for 3 wheels?

Crawdaddy 07-08-2014 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HogWild (Post 24570609)
I got a sense of the way they lean years ago when I started my Grand Rally project. I ended up routing as far from their land as possible. No sense in spending money where we're not welcome. Found some cool stuff on the other side of I40 instead, South-West from Seligman.

Is there a loophole for 3 wheels?


My experience has been nothing but positive on Navajo lands..... very cool to deal with........

Hualapai, on the other hand and based on "my" experiences, have always been about the $$ so I was kinda surprised they were turning away easy revenue from a FF in his mid 50's on an Adventure bike......I guess we got lucky in 09 when we just flipped some $ to the ranger on duty......it SHOULD be just that simple.....ride down, snap a few pics, split......easy revenue.....

It would be interesting to see if they'd let you head down in the sidecar rig.......I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the answer.....

2 SPOT 07-14-2014 06:36 PM

i have the same experiences..... i was told i could ride down to the river over the phone,, then a few days later when i arrived they would not let me,,,, crappy. that was two yrs ago and i havent been back.


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