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DeutschMark 12-03-2009 06:41 AM

Lightening Airhead Lifters
 
Has anybody lightened airhead lifters with any success? The old Dr. Curve article mentioned elongating the oval hole on the lifter.

If anyone has done this, how much weight is safe to remove?

Thanks.

Stagehand 12-03-2009 08:57 AM

every little bit helps, I guess.

No idea.

Wirespokes 12-03-2009 10:48 AM

Never thought of it. I wonder about using titanium? Would there be a metalurgical problem between them and the cam?

skrub 12-03-2009 04:18 PM

I once aponatime owned one of the Butler&Smith short rod factory race engines. It did not have the utra trick lifters. I have heard thay where titanium and had to be welded in a vacuum chamber. :huh Some one once made a lifter with a ti button on the top to prevent the push rod from pushing through because of the high spring rates used on the hugh cams. I had an idea to use a R65 lifter its a cup the push rod rides in the bottom. Then the side can be drilled or slotted with no fear of damage. The push rods then need to be longer, Jegs sells a kit ala cut to fit for a hemi eng.

bmwhacker 12-12-2009 08:43 PM

Seems like you would only lose a couple of grams....pass on breakfast and take a good dump and you'll likely lose more.......:lol3

BrianK 12-12-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwhacker
Seems like you would only lose a couple of grams....pass on breakfast and take a good dump and you'll likely lose more.......:lol3

Yeah, but that's not reciprocating weight.... at least, I HOPE NOT!

bmwhacker 12-12-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianK
Yeah, but that's not reciprocating weight.... at least, I HOPE NOT!


:poser

bmweuro 12-12-2009 10:32 PM

I have built a lot of airhead race motors in the past 25 years and this is an area I would not tuch on a street bike. If you ever rev the motor you will crack a lifter and on the street you will never notice the added performance. If your looking for cheap reliable horse power in a Boxer you can do 2 things.

up the compression and port match the heads.

Rob Farmer 12-12-2009 11:15 PM

Siebenrock have light weight cam followers, Valves and pushrods. Not cheap though.

Beemerboff 12-13-2009 05:22 AM

The real problem is that the lifters dont get a straight push at the rods , so for a top race engine you want to be welding up the holes and re machining them so that they do- said to be worth 500 revs by those that should know.

DeutschMark 12-13-2009 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmweuro
I have built a lot of airhead race motors in the past 25 years and this is an area I would not tuch on a street bike. If you ever rev the motor you will crack a lifter and on the street you will never notice the added performance. If your looking for cheap reliable horse power in a Boxer you can do 2 things.

up the compression and port match the heads.


I've already got the compression part covered. I've got a set of late 9.5 pistons and I'm going to dual plug, so I'll bump it a little more. I also have a Scheffer/Edelweiss asmmetrical cam ordered and already have some Mikuni carbs. This should be a peppy airhead! :clapWhen the heads are done I'll have the machinist use 44mm intake valves.

As far as the port matching goes, I pulled the heads and planned to do a little smoothing and casting flash removal, but there doesn't seem like there is much to remove. The intakes are clean, with only a little casting flash. There is a small hump on the bottom of both intake ports that could be smoothed over and a booger size piece of flash on the short radius of one intake. Is this what you are referring to?

On the exhaust side, there is a small step outward all of the way around the area where the head transitions to the spigot. Are there any gains to be had by removing this?

RecycledRS 12-13-2009 07:48 AM

The ridge meets flush with the exhaust pipe. Any smoothing you do should be done with a small length of exhaust tubing in place to match up to first.

bmweuro 12-13-2009 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeutschMark
I've already got the compression part covered. I've got a set of late 9.5 pistons and I'm going to dual plug, so I'll bump it a little more. I also have a Scheffer/Edelweiss asmmetrical cam ordered and already have some Mikuni carbs. This should be a peppy airhead! :clapWhen the heads are done I'll have the machinist use 44mm intake valves.

As far as the port matching goes, I pulled the heads and planned to do a little smoothing and casting flash removal, but there doesn't seem like there is much to remove. The intakes are clean, with only a little casting flash. There is a small hump on the bottom of both intake ports that could be smoothed over and a booger size piece of flash on the short radius of one intake. Is this what you are referring to?

On the exhaust side, there is a small step outward all of the way around the area where the head transitions to the spigot. Are there any gains to be had by removing this?

What year and size motor is this? What are the heads off of?

DeutschMark 12-13-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bmweuro
What year and size motor is this? What are the heads off of?

1989 1000cc with original heads.


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