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Mercury264 01-20-2012 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blacktiger (Post 17789267)
No they're aluminium. :lol3
Why do you yanks leave out an "i"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium

:eek1

Please, my boss is Lizzie not Obama :deal

:lol3

It's funny, been here 15 years and I am only now beginning to spell things the American way....when I see words like 'centre' it looks funny to me now :D

Mercury264 01-20-2012 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mountain (Post 17789334)
They are, but not all bikes can be sold that way. Triumph apparently doesn't want to risk investing in an assembly line for the Tiger, since they're not sure it'll sell well enough here to justify the cost. The thing I'm concerned about is that there is apparently an Indian regulation that bikes at or under 800cc *have* to be assembled in India. Bigger bikes can apparently go either way. What I'm trying to ascertain is where exactly the line is; is it 800cc and below, or below 800cc. This is going on the assumption that Triumph's lawyers have reviewed the pertinent regulations and planned accordingly. It's key too that Triumph is apparently taking the position that the Tiger is exactly 800cc for the purposes of being imported into India, when the actual engine is 799cc (the measurement Customs will use). I think they set it at 799 to come in under some limit in the UK, and thus my suspicion that they're caught now.

Got it :thumb

I don't think they set it at 799cc for any real reason, I think they did limit it/design it to be 95PS due to EU regs which I think go more on power than capacity.

Mercury264 01-20-2012 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasthomas (Post 17789534)
We also pronounce it differently. That's why we had a revolution and removed the queen from our money.:D

(Still love British bikes)

:lol3

I do love going to Canada and seeing Lizzies mug on the notes...

marloweluke 01-20-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17789562)
:lol3

I do love going to Canada and seeing Lizzies mug on the notes...


I apologize beforehand, but I had to comment. Big time off topic, but living in Canada I have no use for the British monarchy. What a bunch of duds. I don't know why we Canadians still hang on to those silly traditions. I used to love smashing Lizzie's head on our postage stamps with the ink stamps when I worked at the post office many moons ago.

Still love the Triumph though. I love the British :raabia, just not the monarchy where it relates to Canada:becca.

Mercury264 01-20-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marloweluke (Post 17791694)
I apologize beforehand, but I had to comment. Big time off topic, but living in Canada I have no use for the British monarchy. What a bunch of duds. I don't know why we Canadians still hang on to those silly traditions. I used to love smashing Lizzie's head on our postage stamps with the ink stamps when I worked at the post office many moons ago.

Still love the Triumph though. I love the British :raabia, just not the monarchy where it relates to Canada:becca.

No worries, I still love Canada :clap

Phrog 01-20-2012 03:57 PM

[QUOTE=Mercury264;17789039] I doubt any engine is exactly the number of CC's it says it is in the model designation. [QUOTE]

By my calculations using Triumphs specs ;

74mm x 61.9mm (bore & stroke) = 798.9952421977376 cc

levain 01-20-2012 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marsh Tiger (Post 17786198)
I used the Eastern Beaver plug for my heated grip instillation. It's good quality and made the job pretty easy.

+1. Did the same with Oxford sport grips. Great setup so far. I've never run them on high.

swimmer 01-21-2012 09:31 AM

Counrty -Rider, your post about the nuked 800GS vs. Tiger 800XC thread got nuked too.:rofl

Xcountry-Rider 01-21-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swimmer (Post 17798657)
Counrty -Rider, your post about the nuked 800GS vs. Tiger 800XC thread got nuked too.:rofl

The whole thread can still be found via Google but its off the Advrider search engines and out of beasts, To much information on there i think.

motosickle2000 01-21-2012 03:09 PM

[QUOTE=Phrog;17793844][QUOTE=Mercury264;17789039] I doubt any engine is exactly the number of CC's it says it is in the model designation.
Quote:


By my calculations using Triumphs specs ;

74mm x 61.9mm (bore & stroke) = 798.9952421977376 cc
That's funny I get 798.666051651354 cc - that would round to 799cc (their published displacement).

If I use 62.0 mm instead of 61.9 for the stroke I get 799.95630375 cc -that would round to 800cc.

It looks to me like Triumph went to extreme measures to keep it below 800 cc by making the stroke .1mm shorter.

Adv Grifter 01-21-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xcountry-Rider (Post 17800488)
The whole thread can still be found via Google but its off the Advrider search engines and out of beasts, To much information on there i think.

It's been banished to obscurity ... this is always what happens when the BMW cognoscenti who run ADV rider have their BMW fantasy disrupted and reality thrust in their face ... they don't like it. :puke1

Find it here:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675332

Don't forget ... Massive BMW Kool-Aid chuggers still hold sway on ADV management, despite the fact thousands of the original crew have bailed out, disgusted with the over bearing Admin.

Anyone who questions the Holy Grail of the Blue Rondel/Twat Suit magic will be crucified. BMW agents are everywhere .... and are constantly hitting the WHINE button when BMW myths are being exposed.

Having their very own private forums within ADV Rider is just not enough folks ... they will descend like Locusts upon any thread questioning the supreme goodness of BMW. :lol3

My advice is ... don't mention BMW here ... at all ... or this whole thread will be gone. Better to hang out on the UK Tiger 800 site. Much more civil crowd.

Phrog 01-21-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motosickle2000 (Post 17800757)
That's funny I get 798.666051651354 cc


I think you'll find your calculations are giving you 798666.051651354 cubic inches.

GB 01-21-2012 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adv Grifter (Post 17800773)
It's been banished to obscurity ... this is always what happens when the BMW cognoscenti who run ADV rider have their BMW fantasy disrupted and reality thrust in their face ... they don't like it. :puke1

Apparently, other Triumph inmates here find dick waving posts repeated ad nauseum detract from the enjoyment of the forum. And contrary to your conspiracy theories, ADV mods ride quite a range of bikes from HD to European and Asian brands... and it just so happens that the Mod who handled the latest complaint rides an Asian bike and he dumped that pissing contest of a thread to the basement.. I was sound asleep at the time, since I'm in the Eastern time zone. :lol3

We're saying talk about your bike and enjoy it, but there's no need to denigrate others' choice of bikes, over and over and over..

Now back to Tiger talk.

marloweluke 01-21-2012 06:16 PM

Get your ADV stickers here???

I am fairly new to ADV, so maybe someone can help me out. What does FYYFF stand for?

Thanks,

ThomasVolomitz 01-21-2012 06:17 PM

I remember asking that question once!

pilot 01-21-2012 06:44 PM

Grifter, this is the wrong forum for you and your bile. AMF :wave

motosickle2000 01-21-2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phrog (Post 17800905)
I think you'll find your calculations are giving you 798666.051651354 cubic inches.

The bore X stroke is 74 X 61.9 mm
That is 7.4 X 6.19 cm

Area = pi X radius squared = 3.14159 X 3.7 X 3.7 = 43.01 sq cm
volume of a cylinder = area of cylinder X height
43.01 sq cm X 6.19 cm = 266.222 cu cm
266.222 cu cm X 3 cylinders = 798.666051651354 cu cm

Phrog 01-21-2012 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marloweluke (Post 17801874)
Get your ADV stickers here???

I am fairly new to ADV, so maybe someone can help me out. What does FYYFF stand for?

Thanks,

Google it

motosickle2000 01-21-2012 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marloweluke (Post 17801874)
Get your ADV stickers here???

I am fairly new to ADV, so maybe someone can help me out. What does FYYFF stand for?

Thanks,

Fuck You You Fucking Fuck!

Seems sort of redundant - doesn't it?

Phrog 01-21-2012 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phrog (Post 17800905)
I think you'll find your calculations are giving you 798666.051651354 cubic inches.

Quote:

Originally Posted by motosickle2000 (Post 17802255)
The bore X stroke is 74 X 61.9 mm
That is 7.4 X 6.19 cm

Area = pi X radius squared = 3.14159 X 3.7 X 3.7 = 43.01 sq cm
volume of a cylinder = area of cylinder X height
43.01 sq cm X 6.19 cm = 266.222 cu cm
266.222 cu cm X 3 cylinders = 798.666051651354 cu cm

My mistake

798.666051651354 cu cm = 48.737 592 753 cubic inch

(never did like maths, my head hurts)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mountain (Post 17788489)
I got my response from Triumph India:

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mountain (Post 17788489)

Appreciate your thoughts on the Tiger 800XC and its pricing. The bike at
exactly 800cc qualifies for CBU import and that is the route being taken
as of now.



Bottom line, tell those bureaucratic bastards it not exactly 800cc.

4bikes 01-22-2012 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phrog (Post 17802470)
My mistake

798.666051651354 cu cm = 48.737 592 753 cubic inch

(never did like maths, my head hurts)



Bottom line, tell those bureaucratic bastards it not exactly 800cc.

HAve you tryed doing your math with borexstroke 74,04x61,94 mm?

Phrog 01-22-2012 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4bikes (Post 17803642)
HAve you tryed doing your math with borexstroke 74,04x61,94 mm?

NO, I used Triumphs specifications, 74mm bore x 61.9mm stroke.
http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/mo...specifications

I used this method;
http://albertstreetmiddle.nbed.nb.ca...alculation.htm

motosickle2000 01-22-2012 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4bikes (Post 17803642)
HAve you tryed doing your math with borexstroke 74,04x61,94 mm?


I get 800.046366 cc

I'm curious - where did you get those numbers for bore and stroke?

4bikes 01-22-2012 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motosickle2000 (Post 17803755)
I get 800.046366 cc

I'm curious - where did you get those numbers for bore and stroke?

I did not get them anywhere, they are just within the variation allowed by the desimals used in the first calculations.

marloweluke 01-22-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motosickle2000 (Post 17802353)
Fuck You You Fucking Fuck!

Seems sort of redundant - doesn't it?


and stupid and unnecessarily rude and not even funny and......

Phrog 01-22-2012 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marloweluke (Post 17809396)
and stupid and unnecessarily rude and not even funny and......

Childish

motosickle2000 01-22-2012 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marloweluke (Post 17809396)
and stupid and unnecessarily rude and not even funny and......

I was responding to your question in a previous post asking what the acronym "FYYFF" means.

http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....ostcount=10603


It surprises me that you are offended that I answered your question. I did not intend to be rude or offending - just helpful. I am sorry if there was a misunderstanding.

Phrog 01-22-2012 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motosickle2000 (Post 17802353)
Fuck You You Fucking Fuck!

Seems sort of redundant - doesn't it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by marloweluke (Post 17809396)
and stupid and unnecessarily rude and not even funny and......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phrog (Post 17809466)
Childish

I don't think any offence was taken, just adding to your question;

Seems sort of redundant - doesn't it?...and stupid and unnecessarily rude and not even funny and....Childish.

All good from me.

racetwins 01-22-2012 09:06 PM

Talk about riding the 800's please
 
I rode one and they are everything they should be and next on my buy list. Has anyone found a shortcoming that really needs improvement? Is a little more suspension compliance the only issue offroad? I thought the seat felt sharp on the sides when standing up......any fixes?


Oh, and by the way, to all the BMW guys lurking here :fyyff:fyyffyes, you bought a status bike.

motosickle2000 01-23-2012 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phrog (Post 17810359)
I don't think any offence was taken, just adding to your question;

Seems sort of redundant - doesn't it?...and stupid and unnecessarily rude and not even funny and....Childish.

All good from me.

Oh! - It was me that was misunderstanding. :thumbup :D

twinrider 01-23-2012 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racetwins (Post 17810453)
I rode one and they are everything they should be and next on my buy list. Has anyone found a shortcoming that really needs improvement? Is a little more suspension compliance the only issue offroad? I thought the seat felt sharp on the sides when standing up......any fixes?


Oh, and by the way, to all the BMW guys lurking here :fyyff:fyyffyes, you bought a status bike.

Not necessarily a downside but I was disappointed the street bike type lean-forward position aka like my TDM900. I was hoping for more of super motard position with the handlebars up close like the F800GS. I seem to remember the 1050 Tiger riding position being more motard in this respect.

Yossarian™ 01-23-2012 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twinrider (Post 17811979)
Not necessarily a downside but I was disappointed the street bike type lean-forward position aka like my TDM900. I was hoping for more of super motard position with the handlebars up close like the F800GS. I seem to remember the 1050 Tiger riding position being more motard in this respect.

I think a set of Rox Risers would solve this issue pretty quickly.

fullmonte 01-23-2012 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yossarian™ (Post 17812000)
I think a set of Rox Risers would solve this issue pretty quickly.

+1 The 2" Rox are the way to go on this bike. Makes standing so much easier as well. Got mine from inmate cjracer.

Mercury264 01-23-2012 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yossarian™ (Post 17812000)
I think a set of Rox Risers would solve this issue pretty quickly.

+1

Prob the best farkle I have added to the Tigger.

Rick West 01-23-2012 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racetwins (Post 17810453)
Oh, and by the way, to all the BMW guys lurking here :fyyff:fyyffyes, you bought a status bike.

Taking up where Xcountry-Rider and Adv Grifter left off?

markbvt 01-23-2012 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick West (Post 17812069)
Taking up where Xcountry-Rider and Adv Grifter left off?

It's a shame those two got themselves banned. They were entertaining. :D

--mark

fbj913 01-23-2012 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racetwins (Post 17810453)
I rode one and they are everything they should be and next on my buy list. Has anyone found a shortcoming that really needs improvement? Is a little more suspension compliance the only issue offroad? I thought the seat felt sharp on the sides when standing up......any fixes?


Oh, and by the way, to all the BMW guys lurking here :fyyff:fyyffyes, you bought a status bike.


Did you ride the 800XC or 800? What do you mean suspension compliance as an issue offroad? I see no issues with the suspension and I'm not sure anyone else has expressed any issues either. I dont have any issues with the seat being "sharp". As far as other shortcomings, I would say every bike has its issues "ergonomically" but thats because no bike is made for everyone. I think most riders have installed Rox risers. Everything is a preference. Short answer to your question would be, Buy one, I promise you wont be dissapointed.:wink:



Why are we all of a sudden bashing on BMW riders? Did I miss something?:huh Stay on topic kids.

blacktiger 01-23-2012 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markbvt (Post 17812534)
It's a shame those two got themselves banned. They were entertaining. :D

--mark

They got banned? Maybe we should start a campaign to get them back.

blacktiger 01-23-2012 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbj913 (Post 17812706)
Did you ride the 800XC or 800? What do you mean suspension compliance as an issue offroad? I see no issues with the suspension and I'm not sure anyone else has expressed any issues either. I dont have any issues with the seat being "sharp". As far as other shortcomings, I would say every bike has its issues "ergonomically" but thats because no bike is made for everyone. I think most riders have installed Rox risers. Everything is a preference. Short answer to your question would be, Buy one, I promise you wont be dissapointed.:wink:

+1
The only ergonomic issue I have/had is the reach to the bars now cured with different bars. The suspension is fine on dirt. I've not even noticed the seat....which is a good thing.

marloweluke 01-23-2012 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motosickle2000 (Post 17810263)
I was responding to your question in a previous post asking what the acronym "FYYFF" means.

http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....ostcount=10603


It surprises me that you are offended that I answered your question. I did not intend to be rude or offending - just helpful. I am sorry if there was a misunderstanding.


I did not in any way mean to offend you, you were indeed very helpful and I thank you for answering the question. My statement was in regard to the meaning of the fyyff acronym. There was indeed a misunderstanding. My apologies.

marloweluke 01-23-2012 09:45 AM

[QUOTE=racetwins;17810453]I rode one and they are everything they should be and next on my buy list. Has anyone found a shortcoming that really needs improvement? Is a little more suspension compliance the only issue offroad? I thought the seat felt sharp on the sides when standing up......any fixes?


I have the 800 (non XC). The only minor negatives I have is that 1st gear is a little tall which is not really an issue on the pavement, but in the dirt I could see it being an annoyance. 6th gear is too low. I would like to see the RPM's during highway cruising come down some to improve gas mileage. The engine will easily pull highway speeds at lower RPM's. No big issues really, just something they could improve on IMHO.

slobinski 01-23-2012 10:05 AM

^^ Agree completely with this. I've just completed the 1000 mile break-in period and noticed the gearing issues as well. Have added the short risers from SW Motech, which made a great improvement in comfort.

Rabbot 01-23-2012 10:50 AM

ABS deactivation sucks. Would like a single thumb switch. Come to a stop. Press the button, ABS off. Right now its like programing a computer in binary language. Everything else is pretty good. Plan on spending a fair amount on accessories if you are going off road.

Yossarian™ 01-23-2012 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbot (Post 17813843)
ABS deactivation sucks. Would like a single thumb switch. Come to a stop. Press the button, ABS off. Right now its like programing a computer in binary language. Everything else is pretty good. Plan on spending a fair amount on accessories if you are going off road.

It's not ideal, but five button presses isn't exactly taxing either.

Still waiting for someone to run a disable switch on the handlebar to the ABS fuse.

Simon Smith 01-23-2012 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbot (Post 17813843)
ABS deactivation sucks. Would like a single thumb switch. Come to a stop. Press the button, ABS off. Right now its like programing a computer in binary language. Everything else is pretty good. Plan on spending a fair amount on accessories if you are going off road.

Takes me all of two or three seconds to switch ABS off after stopping compared to half a second with a switch. How much hurry are you in?

blacktiger 01-23-2012 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yossarian™ (Post 17814085)
Still waiting for someone to run a disable switch on the handlebar to the ABS fuse.

You know there's nothing like trying it yourself.:evil

cug 01-23-2012 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Smith (Post 17814092)
Takes me all of two or three seconds to switch ABS off after stopping compared to half a second with a switch. How much hurry are you in?

This shouldn't be understood as saying anything against you, but please guys, understand that there are people in the world that are pissed off by details like that.

Some of them work in businesses where even the tiniest little detail gets attention and in some peoples opinion things like that which are unnecessarily complex and annoying shouldn't be on a > 10k motorcycle.

Of course, some people don't care (maybe rightly so), but others do - leave it to them and don't say "How much hurry are you in" because it has nothing to do with hurry. It has something to do with a terrible user interface for a feature. Yes, again, a lot of people don't care but some do. Leave them the joy of caring for such things. Because it's people like them, that care even for tiny details that make a lot of things better in this world.

Snapper 01-23-2012 12:53 PM

Uneven tire wear - front vs back
 
Anyone noticing that their front tires are wearing out as fast, or faster, than their rear tires? Several of us on the UK forum seem to be experiencing this for the first time. I'm currently on Anakees (on a Roady) and I'm going to need 2 fronts for 1 rear :huh.

Beer'o'clock Baz 01-23-2012 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cug (Post 17814651)
This shouldn't be understood as saying anything against you, but please guys, understand that there are people in the world that are pissed off by details like that.

Some of them work in businesses where even the tiniest little detail gets attention and in some peoples opinion things like that which are unnecessarily complex and annoying shouldn't be on a > 10k motorcycle.

Of course, some people don't care (maybe rightly so), but others do - leave it to them and don't say "How much hurry are you in" because it has nothing to do with hurry. It has something to do with a terrible user interface for a feature. Yes, again, a lot of people don't care but some do. Leave them the joy of caring for such things. Because it's people like them, that care even for tiny details that make a lot of things better in this world.

Mate your not allowed to say anything that should be fixed about the tiger on this thread you get shot down its a good things only thread-I will get shot down now spec from the GB inmates

Mercury264 01-23-2012 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B2 (Post 17814731)
Mate your not allowed to say anything that should be fixed about the tiger on this thread you get shot down its a good things only thread-I will get shot down now spec from the GB inmates

Maybe Triumph should do a recall to fix the ABS switch :dunno

:lol3

Really, the things people get their knickers in a twist over is incredible.

Mercury264 01-23-2012 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cug (Post 17814651)
This shouldn't be understood as saying anything against you, but please guys, understand that there are people in the world that are pissed off by details like that.

Some of them work in businesses where even the tiniest little detail gets attention and in some peoples opinion things like that which are unnecessarily complex and annoying shouldn't be on a > 10k motorcycle.

Of course, some people don't care (maybe rightly so), but others do - leave it to them and don't say "How much hurry are you in" because it has nothing to do with hurry. It has something to do with a terrible user interface for a feature. Yes, again, a lot of people don't care but some do. Leave them the joy of caring for such things. Because it's people like them, that care even for tiny details that make a lot of things better in this world.

I'd put money on you being a big fan of Apple.

Really ? You being ADD somehow makes things better :rofl

Yossarian™ 01-23-2012 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cug (Post 17814651)
This shouldn't be understood as saying anything against you, but please guys, understand that there are people in the world that are pissed off by details like that.

Makes me wonder if they get pissed by recommendations to check chain slack or oil level.

Beer'o'clock Baz 01-23-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17814774)
Maybe Triumph should do a recall to fix the ABS switch :dunno

:lol3

Really, the things people get their knickers in a twist over is incredible.

Poms dont you just love them maybe if you had offroad over there instead of country lanes you would know about the stepper/the forks bottoming out/the mud splatter that comes of the wheels that goes in places that just shouldnt happen /the bars that need raising/abs switch/four weeks to get a part - these things on a bike marketed to go off road

cug 01-23-2012 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17814782)
I'd put money on you being a big fan of Apple.

If only you knew ...

If you can't understand that it's people that actually care for details are the ones that bring out the great products, that's up to you but I think it's a pretty big deficit not to understand something as fundamental as this.

If the guys at Triumph weren't totally anal about the things they care for, you'd have one shitty thing of a bike. And for a lot of people that goes into the last details. Companies that can't do this can only survive until a single competitor comes around who actually does pay attention to detail and doesn't like shit (look at RIM and Nokia today to stay with your example above).

Mercury264 01-23-2012 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cug (Post 17815621)
If only you knew ...

If you can't understand that it's people that actually care for details are the ones that bring out the great products, that's up to you but I think it's a pretty big deficit not to understand something as fundamental as this.

If the guys at Triumph weren't totally anal about the things they care for, you'd have one shitty thing of a bike. And for a lot of people that goes into the last details. Companies that can't do this can only survive until a single competitor comes around who actually does pay attention to detail and doesn't like shit (look at RIM and Nokia today to stay with your example above).

Nothing's perfect, you just have to live with that.

Mercury264 01-23-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B2 (Post 17815070)
Poms dont you just love them maybe if you had offroad over there instead of country lanes you would know about the stepper/the forks bottoming out/the mud splatter that comes of the wheels that goes in places that just shouldnt happen /the bars that need raising/abs switch/four weeks to get a part - these things on a bike marketed to go off road

Where's over there :ear

We have plenty of offroad where we are thanks...if it's mud you're after

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...1/IMGP5018.jpg

Stepper motor: tiny number of folks have experienced this issue, you seem to think they should stop selling Tiggers world-wide to fix this issue
Forks: I've not heard of any issues with forks bottoming out. If yours do that a lot, put more oil in, or a heavier grade or get a stiffer spring.
Mud Splatter: Really :lol3
Bars: Impossible to have a bike that fits 100% of folks that will ride it.
ABS switch: Not as easy as, say the 800GS for sure but really, it's not that difficult now is it.
Parts Availability: Dood, you're in Australia :lol3 Waiting 4 weeks for a part for a nearly new model bike is not un-heard of.

If you don't like the bike, sell it. Life's too short to be un-happy.

Cheers
:freaky

Mercury264 01-23-2012 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cug (Post 17815621)
If only you knew ...

If you can't understand that it's people that actually care for details are the ones that bring out the great products, that's up to you but I think it's a pretty big deficit not to understand something as fundamental as this.

If the guys at Triumph weren't totally anal about the things they care for, you'd have one shitty thing of a bike. And for a lot of people that goes into the last details. Companies that can't do this can only survive until a single competitor comes around who actually does pay attention to detail and doesn't like shit (look at RIM and Nokia today to stay with your example above).

In an old life I used to design software for a living so I know all about details. That said, I really don't stress over things that a. I have no control over and b. don't really matter. I consider the ABS issue to be covered by both those.

Again, nothing's perfect and if you can't live with that, you'll go mad.

Cheers
:freaky

cug 01-23-2012 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17815711)
In an old life I used to design software for a living so I know all about details.

Just because you used to design software doesn't mean you know all about details. Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that for me either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17815711)
Again, nothing's perfect and if you can't live with that, you'll go mad.

If you'll never try to make it perfect, you'll never create great products. The whole attitude of "nothing is perfect" is nice and good, but one of the reasons why there is so much shit on the market. The other reason is that 90% of the users don't care, mostly because they don't have the attention to detail either - or they think they couldn't do anything about it.

Mercury264 01-23-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cug (Post 17816151)
Just because you used to design software doesn't mean you know all about details. Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that for me either.
Not to beat a dead horse, but yes I do.



If you'll never try to make it perfect, you'll never create great products. The whole attitude of "nothing is perfect" is nice and good, but one of the reasons why there is so much shit on the market. The other reason is that 90% of the users don't care, mostly because they don't have the attention to detail either - or they think they couldn't do anything about it.
You just said it, nothing's perfect. It's not that people don't care, it's just that there's far more important things to worry about.

.

fbj913 01-23-2012 04:44 PM

don't turn this into the f800 vs tiger xc thread. STFU and talk about the Tiger 800. Its always the same couple inmates who can't shut their mouths. so, :stfu:asshat

Mercury264 01-23-2012 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbj913 (Post 17816424)
don't turn this into the f800 vs tiger xc thread. STFU and talk about the Tiger 800. Its always the same couple inmates who can't shut their mouths. so, :stfu:asshat

:lol3 I'll be sure to re-pay the comment when you go off topic. And you will...so :stfuyourself.

cug 01-23-2012 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17816708)
:lol3 I'll be sure to re-pay the comment when you go off topic. And you will...so :stfuyourself.

:lol3

To just be able to say that I'm on topic: I love the Tiger and really consider getting one ... There are just sooooo many bikes I really like. The Tiger 800(XC), the Tiger 1050 (still love the looks), the R1200R, the Super Tenere ... and all of them would be great for what I do. Hell, my GS is perfectly suited for what I do, I'm only looking for change ... :lol3

fbj913 01-23-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17816708)
:lol3 I'll be sure to re-pay the comment when you go off topic. And you will...so :stfuyourself.

good one. feeling guilty? Who said it was directed to you?



Oh ya and I should be getting my Happy-Trails engine guards soon. Cant wait to finally protect the tank and radiator!!

cug 01-23-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbj913 (Post 17816818)
Oh ya and I should be getting my Happy-Trails engine guards soon. Cant wait to finally protect the tank and radiator!!

Are they official now? Was on their website over the weekend and they were nowhere to be seen other than on photos for the panniers.

fbj913 01-23-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cug (Post 17816830)
Are they official now? Was on their website over the weekend and they were nowhere to be seen other than on photos for the panniers.

Not yet but close. I got an email from them a week or so ago. They said soon.

Beer'o'clock Baz 01-23-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbj913 (Post 17816424)
don't turn this into the f800 vs tiger xc thread. STFU and talk about the Tiger 800. Its always the same couple inmates who can't shut their mouths. so, :stfu:asshat

Mate last time i looked at my Triumph it said tiger 800 on it the xc part of it is a few little differences - the whole part of this is to iron out problems some of us are having and thanks to inmates on this site i just about have them all cured {except the bloody heat that comes from the engine to my legs}

fbj913 01-23-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B2 (Post 17816946)
Mate last time i looked at my Triumph it said tiger 800 on it the xc part of it is a few little differences - the whole part of this is to iron out problems some of us are having and thanks to inmates on this site i just about have them all cured {except the bloody heat that comes from the engine to my legs} so pull your head in

Not sure what your referring to. But thats good because it means you don't know what I'm talking about. Therefore your not a culprit of who I was referring to. :clap Thats the last I will speak of it.

Mercury264 01-23-2012 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbj913 (Post 17816818)
good one. feeling guilty? Who said it was directed to you?



Oh ya and I should be getting my Happy-Trails engine guards soon. Cant wait to finally protect the tank and radiator!!

:lol3

Curious why you waited for the Happy Trails when other alternatives have existed for some time :ear

refokus 01-23-2012 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick West (Post 17812069)
Taking up where Xcountry-Rider and Adv Grifter left off?

How many days are they banned for? They are entertaining and do have some good points.............:rofl

Beer'o'clock Baz 01-23-2012 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbj913 (Post 17817014)
Not sure what your referring to. But thats good because it means you don't know what I'm talking about. Therefore your not a culprit of who I was referring to. :clap Thats the last I will speak of it.

OK sorry :D

racetwins 01-23-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbj913 (Post 17812706)
Did you ride the 800XC or 800? What do you mean suspension compliance as an issue offroad? I see no issues with the suspension and I'm not sure anyone else has expressed any issues either. I dont have any issues with the seat being "sharp". As far as other shortcomings, I would say every bike has its issues "ergonomically" but thats because no bike is made for everyone. I think most riders have installed Rox risers. Everything is a preference. Short answer to your question would be, Buy one, I promise you wont be dissapointed.:wink:



Why are we all of a sudden bashing on BMW riders? Did I miss something?:huh Stay on topic kids.


I rode the standard 800 and it was better than I thought it would be. To be fair the temp that day was cool enough to keep the suspension fluids on the thick side. Speed bumps and RR tracks were the only real bumps where it was a little harsh feeling. Due to snow I did not go offroad on a test ride. The wash-board dirt roads here are an ultimate challenge for any bike suspension. I would have to see how an XC did there.

Perfect suspension is a goal but not a reality on any bike. When I get a Tiger it will be the XC and I'm sure it will go places it should'nt and get mud in places you can't get to.

If it bothers people to compare it to the 800GS then what else? Anyway, I save all my bashing for Harley's

fbj913 01-23-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17817051)
:lol3

Curious why you waited for the Happy Trails when other alternatives have existed for some time :ear

Because they are good people and I want to give an American company my money when I have the chance. I already have the Triumph guards. I've had them since day one.

fbj913 01-23-2012 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racetwins (Post 17817295)
I rode the standard 800 and it was better than I thought it would be. To be fair the temp that day was cool enough to keep the suspension fluids on the thick side. Speed bumps and RR tracks were the only real bumps where it was a little harsh feeling. Due to snow I did not go offroad on a test ride. The wash-board dirt roads here are an ultimate challenge for any bike suspension. I would have to see how an XC did there.

Perfect suspension is a goal but not a reality on any bike. When I get a Tiger it will be the XC and I'm sure it will go places it should'nt and get mud in places you can't get to.

If it bothers people to compare it to the 800GS then what else? Anyway, I save all my bashing for Harley's

If you want perfect suspension you can always have someone set it up for you... But I think the XC suspension is fine. When/if my seals go bad I will tweak mine a tad.

It doesn't bother people to compare it to the 800GS there was a thread started to compare the bikes a while back and it turned in to a bashing thread. It was 2 or 3 pages of good info and dozens of pages of bitching, smack talk, and then the mods moved it to the basement because it was a thread fool of worthless info. There is a little info worth reading if you want. Look around in the basement to find it.

strider.deano 01-23-2012 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17817051)
:lol3

Curious why you waited for the Happy Trails when other alternatives have existed for some time :ear

I talked to HT Friday. They're waiting on some machined spacers (subbed out pieces) before they release them.

The reason I'm waiting.......

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-P...0/HT_guard.jpg

The tank and engine is better protected than any I've seen.

Me thinks it will go quite well with the Jesse's!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u...4B8A541AB1.JPG


https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink

flyfishbc 01-23-2012 08:33 PM

triple 800 cutaway drawings???
 
looking for cutaway drawings of 800 triple, trying to design a tattoo. any help would be appreciated. tried all forms of google searches but nothing. :rayof:rofl

cug 01-23-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyfishbc (Post 17818330)
looking for cutaway drawings of 800 triple, trying to design a tattoo. any help would be appreciated. tried all forms of google searches but nothing. :rayof:rofl

Closest thing I remember:

http://www.emoto.com/img/docs/6817/t...800-moteur.jpg

flyfishbc 01-23-2012 10:14 PM

not quite, might have to work if nothing else, kinda want internals only, no block. could you email that to me? pm you

blacktiger 01-24-2012 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyfishbc (Post 17818937)
not quite, might have to work if nothing else, kinda want internals only, no block. could you email that to me? pm you

Might sound sort of obvious but have you tried Triumph themselves?

KildareMan 01-24-2012 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B2 (Post 17816946)
{except the bloody heat that comes from the engine to my legs}

Some success was noted by BigMike on Tiger800.co.uk when he had the cat removed. Think he said something like 75% heat issue gone.

Mercury264 01-24-2012 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbj913 (Post 17817499)
Because they are good people and I want to give an American company my money when I have the chance. I already have the Triumph guards. I've had them since day one.

As good a reason as any :thumb

markbvt 01-24-2012 06:33 AM

Speaking of good American companies... my Renazco Racing Tiger 800 seat is due to be delivered today. I'm pretty sure it's the first one they've done.

I'll post pics when I can.

--mark

Mercury264 01-24-2012 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markbvt (Post 17820396)
Speaking of good American companies... my Renazco Racing Tiger 800 seat is due to be delivered today. I'm pretty sure it's the first one they've done.

I'll post pics when I can.

--mark

Eagerly awaiting pics (and your experience with the seat) Mark...

Beer'o'clock Baz 01-24-2012 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KildareMan (Post 17819518)
Some success was noted by BigMike on Tiger800.co.uk when he had the cat removed. Think he said something like 75% heat issue gone.

Thanks mate very good of you it gets unbearable in conjunction with our hot days here - Ill get on to that theres an exhaust guy up the road who makes systems for bikes ill go see him :clap
P.S Just went on site thanks I think if I can get straight throo pipes made up it will be the go

markbvt 01-24-2012 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markbvt (Post 17820396)
Speaking of good American companies... my Renazco Racing Tiger 800 seat is due to be delivered today. I'm pretty sure it's the first one they've done.

I'll post pics when I can.


Sneak preview:

http://www.swyve.org/stuff/iphone/20120124_seat1.jpg

http://www.swyve.org/stuff/iphone/20120124_seat2.jpg

http://www.swyve.org/stuff/iphone/20120124_seat3.jpg

More to come once I get it home and put it back on the bike. And sit on it. :D

--mark

Yossarian™ 01-24-2012 01:47 PM

Me likey.

Just the rider's seat done by RR? Or did you get a passenger seat also? :ear

Marsh Tiger 01-24-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strider.deano (Post 17818194)

Wow, Happy Trails made those? I'm very interested...

markbvt 01-24-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yossarian™ (Post 17823550)
Just the rider's seat done by RR? Or did you get a passenger seat also? :ear


Just the rider's seat. I don't sit on the pillion seat, and I don't carry passengers, hence, no point spending the money.

--mark

markbvt 01-24-2012 04:25 PM

Okay, here are a couple of shots of the seat on the bike.

http://www.swyve.org/stuff/t8/20120124_renazco1.jpg

http://www.swyve.org/stuff/t8/20120124_renazco2.jpg

Looks great IMO, and the test sit felt comfy, but of course I'll need to wait till I can get out for a long ride to know for sure. Can't wait! Unfortunately, it's January in Vermont, so it'll likely be a little while...

--mark

Mercury264 01-24-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markbvt (Post 17823668)
Just the rider's seat. I don't sit on the pillion seat, and I don't carry passengers, hence, no point spending the money.

--mark

How much Mark if you don't mind me asking ? What did you actually have done - don't you send them your seat pan for them to work on ?

markbvt 01-24-2012 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury264 (Post 17825151)
How much Mark if you don't mind me asking ? What did you actually have done - don't you send them your seat pan for them to work on ?

Yeah, they use the existing seat pan. I mentioned that the dish of the seat didn't work well for me (a little flatter, I figured, would work better), and that the padding was a little too soft. So they built it with a flatter shape and seat foam for my weight. Really wish I could head out for a nice long ride to see how it works out!

Price was $375 plus shipping.

--mark

swimmer 01-24-2012 07:48 PM

Has anyone installed the sw motech centerstand? (i know the charcoal canister needs to be removed on US bikes) Found out today that triumph will not have the revised centerstand for sale in the US until July so was thinking about going the motech route. This would be for my roadie.

Mercury264 01-25-2012 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markbvt (Post 17826659)
Yeah, they use the existing seat pan. I mentioned that the dish of the seat didn't work well for me (a little flatter, I figured, would work better), and that the padding was a little too soft. So they built it with a flatter shape and seat foam for my weight. Really wish I could head out for a nice long ride to see how it works out!

Price was $375 plus shipping.

--mark

Thanks :thumb

I'm pretty happy with the stock seat (I have plenty of padding...) but good to know there's an option out there. Heard nothing but good about those seats.

ThomasVolomitz 01-25-2012 04:41 AM

The stock seat on the Tiger is the most comfortable seat I have ever had on a new bike. Guess there is always room for improvement.

Marsh Tiger 01-25-2012 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasthomas (Post 17828532)
The stock seat on the Tiger is the most comfortable seat I have ever had on a new bike. Guess there is always room for improvement.

+1 I have the gel seat and couldn't be happier with its comfort.

That's one nice looking seat mod though!

andoulli 01-25-2012 07:28 AM

Corbin
 
I have a Corbin that should arrive any day. I ordered it right after they listed it on the web site, so mine may be one of the first as well. Anyway, will get pics up after I get it as well as a short review. It is about 100 bucks more than the Renazco.

jimjim 01-25-2012 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasthomas (Post 17828532)
The stock seat on the Tiger is the most comfortable seat I have ever had on a new bike. Guess there is always room for improvement.

I couldn't stand my stock seat much more than an hour or two in the saddle.

markbvt 01-25-2012 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasthomas (Post 17828532)
The stock seat on the Tiger is the most comfortable seat I have ever had on a new bike.

That's what I thought on short rides, but spending all day on the bike convinced me otherwise. The shape just wasn't right for me, and the foam was a little too soft, so over time it overcompressed and made my butt hurt.

--mark

ElNorto 01-25-2012 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markbvt (Post 17830190)
That's what I thought on short rides, but spending all day on the bike convinced me otherwise. The shape just wasn't right for me, and the foam was a little too soft, so over time it overcompressed and made my butt hurt.

--mark

Ditto on that. The gel seat won't over compress but the shape is still wrong. Maybe OK for a female.
The Corbin looks like it would work better for me, flatter and it appears it will allow more backward movement. I know they are hard as a rock though. Looking forward to a review.

andoulli 01-25-2012 01:09 PM

Although I am a big guy, I have a skinny bottom. Any seat that does not generally match my shape causes pain after forty minutes or so. After a rest off the bike pain returns in thirty minutes and so on. Not a good situation for trips. I have owned probably over 30 motorcycles and the T800 seat may indeed be the best, unfortunately it compares well to a sorry lot. I'll report on the Corbin after it arrives.

GitchaGumee 01-25-2012 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markbvt (Post 17830190)
That's what I thought on short rides, but spending all day on the bike convinced me otherwise. The shape just wasn't right for me, and the foam was a little too soft, so over time it overcompressed and made my butt hurt.

--mark

The stock seat works well for me in the high position for short rides/off road. For longer stints on road I've been running in the low position with my trusty AirHawk!


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