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meat popsicle 03-06-2005 03:03 PM

Review: KTM LC4adv CF skidplate
 
Part I: Product appearance and installation
(Part II: field testing to occur after my bike is repaired... :cry (soon))

Background
Andrew of www.adventurersworkshop.com asked me to test a product he is considering carrying: a Carbon Fiber Skidplate for the KTM LC4 (640) Adventure manufactured by Carbon Performance in Europe. (If you haven't noticed the "schwag" link at the bottom of the page replaces the "Gear" link that used to have a little pic at the top of the page.)

If you need something check his website out or tell him your needs; he is a very helpful guy and may be able to help you even if you don’t see it listed on his site. :nod The same manufacturer (Carbon Performance) that made this skidplate is also designing a set of tankguards for the LC4adv at Andrew's behest :evil Here's to Andrew! :freaky

The product
http://www.carbon-performance.com/kt...KT_017_big.jpg
:tb

You've got mail!
So the skidplate arrived very well packaged (good job Andrew).
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281402-L.jpg

Something very sexy about CF, especially when it's shiney :D Here's some preliminary looks:
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281404-M.jpg
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281405-M.jpg
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281406-M.jpg
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281407-M.jpg

Inside not shiney (like the bottom of your engine is gonna care :rolleyes)
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281408-M.jpg

Comparsion
So how do the two skidplates visually compare? Here are a few shots off and on the bike:

http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281422-M.jpg
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http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281426-M.jpg
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http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281430-M.jpg
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http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281428-M.jpg


Front Right:
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281421-M.jpg
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281432-M.jpg
Underside:
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281416-M.jpg
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/16281439-M-1.jpg
Front Left:
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001724-M.jpg
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001734-M.jpg


Installation
My bike is a 2003; you will need to ask Andrew if this product will fit your model year. It does not attach at the same points as the stock aluminum skidplate. The stocker attaches with one bolt in the front and four on the bottom as you saw above. The CF skidplate does not bolt to the bottom, rather it’s shape hooks onto the frame in the back so that there is no openings on the bottom and nothing to snag :evil

http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001733-M.jpg
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001741-M-1.jpg

Here is a close up. Note the CF peeking out in the middle; that is the formed lip that catches the frame in back. A nice design idea as there are no openings or snags (bolt heads) on the bottom. We'll see how it holds up soon.
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001739-M.jpg
Didn't see it? Keep looking - Waldo's in there... :deal

The installation will require the one top bolt, two sheet metal clip nuts, and two of the bolts from the bottom. I wonder if rubber grommets would be a good idea? :dunno
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001731-M.jpg
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001732-M.jpg

by this time my assistant was already sleeping on the job… :bluduh boy is it hard to get good help these days! :nod
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001347-M.jpg


More Mounted Pics:
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001736-M.jpg
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001737-M.jpg

Field testing to come soon (as soon as my bike is repaired and I can beat on it! :D)

ChrisC 03-06-2005 03:09 PM

Dead sexy.... :getiton

Now, go try to hurt yourself. :freaky

CC

VespaFitz 03-06-2005 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meat popsicle
by this time my assistant was already sleeping on the job… :bluduh boy is it hard to get good help these days! :nod
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001347-M.jpg

You've got about eight weeks before he's trying to eat all your sockets. DAMHIK.

Hey, there's no hole in that thing for the drain plug.

creeper 03-06-2005 03:31 PM

Andrew is good about trying to meet peoples needs with product. It's a nice looking piece Meat... now go ride it over some boulders. :wave

You get a batt. box yet?

meat popsicle 03-06-2005 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creeper
Andrew is good about trying to meet peoples needs with product. It's a nice looking piece Meat... now go ride it over some boulders. :wave

You get a batt. box yet?

Scuderia ordered it last week - my only free days are weekends so I am hoping this saturday will be the end of my dealings with Casper Mountain Motosports... :pope

Once the battery is secure (and the oil leak is fixed) (oh, and the MT21s are on :evil) (oh, and mini-meat has on a KTM coozie :D) then it will be time to make that pretty skid plate suffer the wrath of all us no so purdy people! :freaky

I heard from... dag? that once they are scuffed you can clean em up and shoot them with the krylon clear and they look purdy again. dat would be pretty cool! :nod

the whole point of this thing is to protect the belly of the beast from abrasion and intrusions - but I am guess it is also to raise the footprint (impact to surface area) so that the hit is not so "pointed". or is that poignant (sp?)... :lol3

lots of great MC things going on right now for meat pop (If I can hijack loaded's style of referencing myself in the 3rd person :huh) - alot more than I thought with the kid expenses and the wife on SDI for a while.

whole lotta luv flowin thru this screen people! :thumb now I am gonna go dry my eyes and... and, um I know what people say:

GO TO DISNEYLAND!!!

:getiton

meat popsicle 03-06-2005 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VespaFitz
You've got about eight weeks before he's trying to eat all your sockets. DAMHIK.

Hey, there's no hole in that thing for the drain plug.

So i gotta lock up the sockets too?!? :huh Dang this munchkin business is complicated... :D

Plug? we gots some of dem, it just wasn't installed:

http://health.in.gr/articleincludes/...oother%209.jpg

meat popsicle 03-06-2005 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisC
Dead sexy.... :getiton

Now, go try to hurt yourself. :freaky

CC


I will take that as an order! Just awaiting repairs and then I will be in trouble :nod

:D

Loadedagain 03-07-2005 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VespaFitz
Hey, there's no hole in that thing for the drain plug.

the kid? don't wory... there's a drain plug :evil

nice plate meat... lets see it do some rock sliding :clap

meat popsicle 03-07-2005 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loadedagain
nice plate meat... lets see it do some rock sliding :clap

good thing I ain't in Southern Louisiana anymore...

AFekete 03-07-2005 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meat popsicle
by this time my assistant was already sleeping on the job… :bluduh boy is it hard to get good help these days! :nod
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/17001347-M.jpg

Field testing to come soon (as soon as my bike is repaired and I can beat on it! :D)

That's the perfect kind of help to have. Quiet(most of the time), and works for food. :thumb

Great write up so far! Can't wait to see the field testing results!

thanks,
Andrew

meat popsicle 03-07-2005 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFekete
That's the perfect kind of help to have. Quiet(most of the time), and works for food. :thumb

Great write up so far! Can't wait to see the field testing results!

thanks,
Andrew

(exhale) phew... da boss is satisfied! :ricky

I am shooting for the repairs this saturday (plz Scuderia!) so the field testing should commence shortly thereafter :evil

EDIT: this just in - Scuderia doesn't have an appt. until next saturday so we are on hold people. My $6 part will be in this week but they are overbook for saturday. :cry

patience is a virtue but boy does it suck sometimes being virtuous. :nod

meat popsicle 04-26-2005 07:59 PM

Field Testing
 
Well, finally got something to add to this poor thread: field testing results for the skidplate from Andrew's Adventurersworkshop. I went down to the Kernville WARPED AdvRider event last weekend. I logged about 6-700 road miles and about 100 dirt (terrible ratio but the meet wasn't close to me).

Under light use (tarmac) the skidplate has performed flawlessly. As expected the skidplate is quieter than the stock Aluminum plate, likely by reflecting less engine noise. It also does a good job of deflecting debris thrown up by the front wheel (except for the piece of sheet metal I found recently but no skidplate would have helped in that situation).

Under medium use (off-road w/out high centering) the skidplate has performed well. It does a fair job of deflecting debris thrown by the front wheel, but did not deflect all in the muddy conditions encountered last weekend. I wonder what skidplate (shy of the rallye types) would do this. Here are some pics:

Right side:
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/20608511-M.jpg

Left:
http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/20608514-M.jpg

http://strong-clan.smugmug.com/photos/20608515-M.jpg


I also feel it faired well against small to medium-sized rocks flung by the front wheel. Throughout the weekend I hear many "thunks" as rocks spit up and deflected away from the skidplate and found no damage. I am in the process of cleaning the bike and will post pics if any damage is found.

This leaves the heavy-duty off-road use category. I have failed to find any obstacles within reach of my skill levels when I visited around Kernville (MotoMike found some for himself but I will leave that story to him :evil). I hope to visit another OHV park in the eastern Diablos soon as I saw good rock formations that I should be able to use soon.

Big question to the interested parties: how important is high-centering in your riding? Anyone ever destroyed a skidplate on their bike? Did it do its job but require replacement or did it not do its job in any way? I am planning on finding a local curb and high centering just to give it the final test - is this what you potential buyers want to see? :ear

AFekete 04-26-2005 10:13 PM

Good Job Meat!
 
Beat the crap out of it! It appears that it has performed quite well indeed!

I need to check in with our own Bojangles to see how his faired as well.

I think we can safely assume that the skidplate did a really decent job of handling the off road experience quite well but I'll reserve the right to comment on the final bash test.

thanks again!
Andrew

meat popsicle 04-26-2005 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFekete
Beat the crap out of it! It appears that it has performed quite well indeed!

I need to check in with our own Bojangles to see how his faired as well.

I think we can safely assume that the skidplate did a really decent job of handling the off road experience quite well but I'll reserve the right to comment on the final bash test.

thanks again!
Andrew

My pleasure Andrew, glad the delayS didn't sour the experience for you. :D

I see I have my marching orders :evil :ricky

Trevor S 04-27-2005 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meat popsicle
Anyone ever destroyed a skidplate on their bike? Did it do its job but require replacement or did it not do its job in any way?

Yup, me, on my Husky TE 610-E, doing about 120 km/h, through a creek, took some air coming into it (wide creek, no water, flat bottom, on a dirt road), landed in the creek bed, suspension bottomed out, an iceburg type rock (little bit sticking out and god only knows how much was under the dirt) sticking a few inches out, caught the skidplate and ripped 'er clean off... fark.. did it make an noise.. and it felt like the Hulk had hit the bike with a 15 pound sledge hammer ! I locked brakes up, hopped off, fearing the worst, no skidplate (bashplate as we call 'em in Oz), rode back, saw the rock with a big Alu. "gash" on it, plate had a hole punched in it and all mounts ripped flat. It was held on by hooks going over the frame rails and bolted through the skidplate to the hooks.

Here is a pic from the manufactuers site

http://www.bbaluminium.com/huskyesb.gif

Did it's job, wasted the skidplate, saved the bike. Sure as hell would have punched a hole in the engine without it.

I am more interetsed in a Ralye replica plate and hope to convice a mate who is a wizz at that shit to make me one, when I get my 640 Adv.

I am waiting with avid interest for Andrew F to report if the revised HB bars are any good :ear


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