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bmwhacker 09-06-2011 09:50 PM

Old School Airhead Fish'in
 
My work takes me all over the Western / Southern US. Whenever we stay in one place for a few weeks I always place a Craigslist ad in the local motorcycle section "wanting to buy" old BMW's or other European motorcycles.
I've been pretty lucky over the years and have hauled home a dozen or so old BMW's for $500.00 to $100.00.
I have yet to run across a pre 1969 model BMW but always am hopeful something rare will come along someday.
I have got lucky a few times and burned a few times.....
I bought a 1974 R75/6 winter before last. Photos didn't look too bad and the guy offered to haul it up to me (180 miles on icy roads) for a $100.00. We settled on a $400.00 price + the $100.00 shipping to my door. When the bike showed up I had high hopes but after closer inspection things weren't too good. I was able to salvage a few good parts, sell a few parts and then sell the rolling chassis to at least make a small profit.

You just never know what will come up. Last week, by word of mouth I was soon standing over a dusty, but beautiful Norton Commando, a BSA Single and a few other British specimans in a local guys garage. His brother in law has a R100 BMW that he wants to get rid of. So I'll be following up on that. I think a guy could buy the Norton for a reasonable price too. I'm just not much of a British bike fan as I've never ridden one and don't kow much about them.

Today I had a bite from a guy with a 1972 - 600 (?) BMW. He doesn't sound very knowledgeable about bikes other than the engine was sent off years ago, was dual plugged and rebuilt by some guy in Virginia. The bike has a newer 5 speed transmission but has sat for 5 years in his elderly moms garage. He told me that he knew that the tires were "new" with only a few miles on them....but then remembered that he bought them 10 years ago.

These fishing trips are an adventure for me.....now if I could get my wife to have as much fun as I do.....:lol3

flemsmith 09-06-2011 10:04 PM

OK, that's interesting....
 
S what do you typically do with them: rebuilding old bikes is not a way to make money, at least I never have. So do you part them out? fix them up to run but not look pristene and then sell them? Collect them for some day in the future when you'll have a lot of old bikes and hope you can sell them with the prices going up? Just curious.

roy

Bill Harris 09-07-2011 06:15 AM

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I've been pretty lucky over the years and have hauled home a dozen or so old BMW's for $500.00 to $100.00.
That is pretty good. Play your cards right and it could be a long-term investment (or a long-term break-even). Or at least some parts bikes to horse-trade with.

Quote:

My work takes me all over the Western / Southern US.
If you are ever stationed in NW Alabama, PM me.

bmwhacker 09-07-2011 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by flemsmith (Post 16800442)
S what do you typically do with them: rebuilding old bikes is not a way to make money, at least I never have. So do you part them out? fix them up to run but not look pristene and then sell them? Collect them for some day in the future when you'll have a lot of old bikes and hope you can sell them with the prices going up? Just curious.

roy

It has been a crap shoot all the time. Of the dozen or so bikes I've acquired, non were worthy of investing any $$$$ to get them drivable. I got lucky once - I bought a BMW sight unseen for $100.00 and then found a nice 8 gallon Heinrich Tank sitting on it when I picked it up. I've typically pulled parts for my projects and spares and then peddled the remainder. The part I like is never knowing what will turn up when someone answers my ads. Kind of a fantasy thing I guess. I know of a guy who bought a very rare nearly complete KS601 Zundapp Elastic a few weeks ago for a few (7) hundred bucks. The bike is worth maybe $20k when assembled....and the PO took it apart in running order and stored it correctly, only losing the top triple tree mount over the years.
I live full time in my RV so my space is very limited with a 20' cargo trailer and a small 3 rail bike trailer, although I have some property with a storage shed in AZ. so some stuff stays down there.
I used to save tons of parts for my future use but decided it made more sense to sell off extra parts .Of course I've sold off parts that I eventually needed but oh well, can't keep all this stuff laying around.
This system pays for the majority of my bike needs and projects and recycles good used parts to those in need.
I use EBay and the IBMWR sites to sell parts. I've also given a lot of stuff away and that was not up to my standards but still usable.
Whenever I've got boxes of old stuff I do not feel can be sold individually, I'll sell a whole pickup load of chassis /misc. parts for $350.00 - $400.00 just to make it go away.

Last winters housekeeping load went away for $400.00:
(complete 1974 rolling chassis with a rusty engine, a usable lower end for a 1974 R90/6, another R90 /6 front fork assembly, broken Bates saddle bags & two sets of mounts, a rare (IMO ugly) Califia Fairing, a final drive, a couple of boxes of other treasures...)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_x_wLTjNIga...tuff%2B006.JPG

Right now my parts supply has dwindled to nothing so it's time to make some new scores.
EBay selling has been pretty much hassle free. If I get an unhappy buyer I usually refund everything including shipping and let them keep the parts. I look at that as part of doing business and go forward. It is not worth the hassle to fight over some issue and then send parts back and expect the buyer to eat the shipping....I've been there and wasn't happy about that.

So all in all this is a fun (to me) hobby that I can make a few bucks on and support my habit.
I've built one complete sidehack rig in this fashion and have a couple spare transmissions / misc parts laying around.
You just never know when you'll reach into a barrel of shit and pull out a diamond.

The crazy thing is that some parts I feel should bring big bucks don't....and then some I think will go cheap sell high...

camgregus 09-07-2011 12:26 PM

what is your ebay seller name? I want to add you to my favorites so I can see what you put up there...

bmwhacker 09-07-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by camgregus (Post 16804174)
what is your ebay seller name? I want to add you to my favorites so I can see what you put up there...


EBay seller name:
dsmith6121

jbcaddy 09-07-2011 01:48 PM

I don't want to know more about that Norton and the other British bikes you found:D, really I don't:ear




So, did ya take any photos?:wink:

bmwhacker 09-07-2011 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jbcaddy (Post 16804679)
I don't want to know more about that Norton and the other British bikes you found:D, really I don't:ear




So, did ya take any photos?:wink:

I plan on going over and visiting the guy again. I'll take some photos this time. He said he paid 2 grand for the Norton, but didn't say how long ago. It is a very nice looking bike. As far as I could tell it was pretty much stock except for a "Corbin looking" cafe style seat....but I don't know much about the Brit stuff. There were a few more "across the pond" two wheelers in there too.
The guy has an eccentric taste like me.....had a 1960 MGA Roadster, an Austin American (Mini Cooper) looking car, an old 30's hot rod he was building. Looks like he has too many projects, so maybe the Norton might be up for grabs.
It looked too nice for me....I go for the money pit, cheap, beat up, rusty treasures.:lol3

bmwhacker 09-10-2011 01:57 PM

I'm excited!
Tomorrow AM we'll drive the 36 miles to check out the old (1972?) BMW that has been offered up. I'm going to drag a trailer with me just in case. I've gone home with an empty trailer more than once when someone thinks their derelict piece of crap is still worth a thousand bucks.
As long as the bike is salvageable, I hope to drag it home for $500.00 or less....if it is a definite "parts bike" the price should be cheaper.
I miss my old /5 which I recently sold so maybe if this thing is salvageable, it will fill the void.

Verbal description:
1972 /5 with a later model dual plugged 600cc engine & 5 speed transmission.
I don't know if he kept the /5 Motometer gauge / headlamp nacelle?......or swapped the front brake to a disc?...or????
Has been sitting for 5 years in a garage. Sounds like it still has some $1.99 gas in the tank from 2006. Not good.

The more detailed questions I asked the owner, the less he seemed to know. That is probably not a good sign.
Seems like "dual plugging" a 600cc would be somewhat fruitless? I guess it surely wouldn't have hurt it any.

Pictures tomorrow for sure. One way or the other.

disston 09-10-2011 02:49 PM

It is an interesting prospect. My bike is not dual plugged, yet. R90/6. I've heard that it is most workable on the 900's and 1000's. Hope you get the /5 headlight. Without it it is not much of a /5.

I'm going to have a set of heads done soon but still have to wait on dual plugging. I need new exhaust seats, ouch.

Happy Hunting Hacker.

bmwhacker 09-11-2011 04:39 PM

We made the 40 minute trip over to a nearby town to take a look at the bike in question. My heart sunk quite a bit upon my first view. No major find here for sure. Arggg....looks pretty bad.....
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...%252520007.JPG
Bike appears to have a 1974 R60/6 dual plugged engine with the 5 speed kick start transmission. Frame is an early 70's short wheel base.
A 72 / 73 "Toaster Tank" minus the toaster panels. The owner thinks the panels might be sitting in his barn at another location. He does have the fenders, tail light and rear turn signals so will attempt to find them.

I began looking it over closely and found a vintage Puch headlamp nacelle and speedometer, with a generic ignition switch.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...%252520012.JPG

The seller really wanted to recoup his $1000.00 investment from 12 years ago. I had to point out the issues at hand: Tires probably have less than a 1000 miles on them but are weather rotted and not usable except for around the block a few times. The "new" battery is the same vintage as the tires. The "nice" stock mufflers are after market and have damage and dents.
I made him aware if the bike was close to original and at least partially complete I would hand him a grand in a heart beat but the bike is a rat with a lot of issues and missing parts.
I found the engine kicked over fine with good compression and the transmission clicked into each gear without problems. The dual plug set up has the proper coils and appears to be done well. Alloy wheels have normal tire tool scratches and spin true. Interior of tank looks a little crusty but no major rust. Pulled the float bowels and carbs look pretty good. Throttle slides are free.
The serial number decoder says we have a 4 - 1971 manufactured R75/5. The title says we have a 1973 BMW so she is a mutt.
The engine serial number shows a 6 - 1974 engine manufacture - R60/6.
After a lot of discussion I decided I would make a $400.00 offer which I think is fair considering what we have here.
I told him he might be able to get the $1000.00 wanted if he parted it out or spent some dough to get it back in running order. But it will always be a mongrel.
So I dragged the thing home for $400.00. Maybe I paid too much but I know I could recoup the investment if I pieced the bike out. Not sure what to do with it...Cafe bike? Rat Rod? Maybe stuff the engine in my 1953 Zundapp? I think I'll spend a couple hours some weekend and get the engine running, take it for a spin as-is, then go from there. At least in my possession the bike will live on, either as donor to others projects or as a rat runner. I kind of like the rat runner option with minimal investment.



Stopped at a car wash and invested $2.00 into my latest money pit.

The monster Puch headlight is already growing on me.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e...%252520019.JPG

The fuel tank had been refinished but was left in primer....but it almost looks like a clear coat over it. Maybe this was the final color? The fenders are supposed to match. The mufflers didn't look quite right....upside down and reversed. I've only seen this a couple of times.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C...%252520017.JPG

On the way home I stopped at the shop of a new acquantance to look at his dusty treasures:

I think a guy could buy this but I doubt that it would be cheap.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...%252520021.JPG

Has a solo Mikuni carb...looks like he has removed something there....starter? https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O...%252520028.JPG

A few years of dust. A shame to see this collecting dust, it should be tearing up the road.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6...%252520027.JPG

Low original mileage.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-W...%252520031.JPG

rear disc.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H...%252520030.JPG

The Norton has a red neighbor next to him.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v...%252520034.JPG

Well maybe the next "find" will be a rare exotic treasure. 90% of the fun is the hunt.

disston 09-11-2011 07:07 PM

I like the headlight also.

bmwhacker 09-11-2011 08:18 PM

I spent an hour or so cleaning up the rims and other alloy pieces and everything shined up nice. I reversed the mufflers to their proper location and of course there was some rust on the bottoms. Most of it removed easily.
Valve covers have some surface scratches but no major damage.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D...%252520004.JPG

The Puch speedometer was connected with the BMW cable. Not sure how accurate it will be. Fills the hole in the headlight if nothing else. Headlight bucket has some surface rust but no dents, The chrome trim ring has a scrape on it.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o...%252520002.JPG

Front / rear rims cleaned up pretty good.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...%252520007.JPG


Mufflers swapped to their proper places. The header pipes are in real good shape with no dents or rust to speak of. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O...%252520009.JPG


Well so much for todays fun and games. Maybe I'll have her fired up next weekend. Been working 6 days a week , 13/14 hour shifts so Sunday is my only day off. :D

JLeather 09-12-2011 09:23 AM

I think you did well buying it. I'd have given $400 for it in a second. The wheels alone are worth easily half what you paid for it. Nice find.

bmwhacker 09-12-2011 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JLeather (Post 16837574)
I think you did well buying it. I'd have given $400 for it in a second. The wheels alone are worth easily half what you paid for it. Nice find.

The seller was pretty proud of the recovered seat....has the 1971 /5 grab handles but there are small "lumps" in the foam.(?)
Maybe we have "tenants" living under the cover?

After sitting in a dry barn for 5 years I'd better pull the air box / alternator cover and starter cover to chase out any other boarders that might have moved in.


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