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inte 03-21-2005 11:37 PM

steering damper ... which?
 
Never used one before, but looks like now's the time ... :D

Initial setup isn't a concern (welding vs. bolt-on), I just need something that can be (relatively) easily transferred back & forth between the YZ426 & 640 Adventure.

craigincali 03-21-2005 11:53 PM

Scotts and GPR are held on by 2 bolts. Doesnt get much easier than that..

AMAL 03-22-2005 04:00 AM

I have a Scotts. I had it on my 300 EXC, and will be installing it on my 450 EXC. It is an amazing and worthwhile device! It is expensive, but it is worth every dollar IMHO!

Tim 03-22-2005 05:22 AM

I have a Scotts. Which ever you go for I would get one that can have adjustments made whilst riding at the turn of a button.

meat popsicle 03-22-2005 06:11 AM

Everyone says Scotts is the standard by which all others are judged.

GPR and Emig also make nice units but I dunno if they are as easily transfered.

RTT makes a schweet lookin unit, but I have heard they are doing that microsoft-style "beta testing" (for sale but unreliable).

Good timing inte! I would like to hear some people discuss why they want a steering dampener or why they do not (some say they don't...). What's it good for and when is it bad? Anyone? :ear

DevDel 03-22-2005 06:13 AM

There is no guarranty a Scotts will fit both bike without changing the actuator arm on the bottom of the damper. They are different depending upon the bike.

For future reference only, don't try to use a street unit in the dirt, they are way to stiff. A dirt unit might be okay on the street on it's stiffer settings

Scotts are awesome though.


Dev

meat popsicle 03-22-2005 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Head Fred
There is no guarranty a Scotts will fit both bike without changing the actuator arm on the bottom of the damper. They are different depending upon the bike.

For future reference only, don't try to use a street unit in the dirt, they are way to stiff. A dirt unit might be okay on the street on it's stiffer settings

Scotts are awesome though.


Dev

that makes sense that they would differ as the steering head and such would be different. good point.

i thought the reason you would not want to use a street version in the dirt is because they dampen (damp for Chrissy :rolleyes) back to center whereas the dirt versions only dampen away from center. Correcto?

ChrisC 03-22-2005 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meat popsicle
because they dampen (damp for Chrissy :rolleyes)

Mornin' Meaty :ace

meat popsicle 03-22-2005 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisC
Mornin' Meaty :ace

uh oh, the Hall Monitor just showed up...

top o' da morn chrissy :wave

Walker Sky Ranch 03-22-2005 07:08 AM

Inte
You want above or below bar?
above, makes for a big piece of Aluminum to bounce off of, Under the bar makes for a harder install and un-install.

inte 03-22-2005 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by surfphoto
Inte
You want above or below bar?
above, makes for a big piece of Aluminum to bounce off of, Under the bar makes for a harder install and un-install.

Just ordered some Stuff from Scotts!

I'm going to check out the bolt-on kit for the YZ & if I don't like it I can swap for another mount.

The 640 might be another story - apparently they vary from year to year - the weld-on shouldn't be that big of a deal though ... we'll see.

Keep me posted on the prerunning!

potatoho 03-22-2005 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meat popsicle
i thought the reason you would not want to use a street version in the dirt is because they dampen (damp for Chrissy :rolleyes) back to center whereas the dirt versions only dampen away from center. Correcto?

That's my assumption. Emig makes both types. I suspect it is like picking tires, 50/50, 80/20 etc etc. I went with the dampen-both-ways type because I ride a lot of street and when I go off-road it is basically "beach with whoops", where I put it on maximum.

neduro 03-22-2005 11:33 AM

I've run the Scotts and GPR's back to back... both are fine, I prefer the Scotts for it's finer degree of adjustability.

AFAIK, there are only 2 arm lengths for the Scotts- the same damper and arm fit everything from KX100's on up. The XR650R forward mount is the only application I've found with a different (longer) arm.

You should be able to get stuff for the YZ pretty readily on Thumpertalk or eBay, less so for the KTM. Typically they offer deals on the package, so I'd get the 640 kit with the damper and then keep my eyes peeled for the YZ stuff. Hope that advice isn't too late.

inte 03-22-2005 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neduro
Hope that advice isn't too late.

Yes & no ... I ordered directly through Scotts, but I don't think I could have done much better on ebay ... I saw a couple available where I could have saved $50 or so, but then with shipping ... I dunno.

Good thing is my YZ is BONE stock :thumb

oh wait ... the stock steel bars don't work so hot with a damper ... :huh

I ended up getting the "tripleclamp" kit from Scotts $599 ... ouch, pain, etc... BUT it comes with the damper, heavy duty tripleclamp & oversize bar mounts, & Protaper bars (I got the Windam bend). The price of the damper & tripleclamp works out so you end up getting the bars for free.

Another $100 for the KTM weld-on kit & I'm good to go on both bikes.

For a Baja adventure like yours, I would be very comfortable on the 640 - the YZ is for when I want to see how much trouble I can get myself into in the desert ...

Speaking of your trip and to hijack my own thread..., did you do the singletrack option around Mike's? VERY short, fun bonus ride. Maybe only a mile or so, but I huffed the 640 through it several times. After the lakebed, sandy 250 course, & all the fireroad heading to Mikes, it was nice to get some decent technical & relatively consequence-free riding in (no white-knuckle "if I crash I'm going to die out here" stuff ... just hike back to Mikes) :thumb

Mack 03-22-2005 03:40 PM

I prefer the Scotts, but that is to be expected as I have never tried any other damper! :huh (Not counting push rod style dampers on street bikes.)

The road damper has an "R" stamped on the upper face of the damper at the twelve O' clock postion. The Scotts rep that I talked to, recomended the dirt damper for situations where the damper would be transfered from dirtbikes to street/track bikes. The dirt damper only dampens away from center, thus helping the front wheel to return to center. The road damper dampens both ways. That said, I've used a road damper on my 640 for two years without issue, the rep said if I was happy, that he didn't see a problem.

I've got two damper arms for mine, a stepped arm, and a straight arm, the stepped won't work on the VFR800, and the straight is needed on the Sommer underbar damper mount, but I can't remember why. Either will work on the 640 top bar mount.

Swaping out the oil is the only service mine has required in three years of use. Got finicky and let it sit all night upside down to get the "micro" bubbles out, worked perfect no air at all. Then I found out, Scotts wants a bit of air, I assume a small bubble, to allow for expansion of the oil when the unit gets hot, to keep it from leaking.


http://natra.dirtrider.net/damper.htm
http://www.hardracing.com/Shocks%20&...amp/Scotts.htm


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