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ozmoses 04-14-2012 02:11 PM

Why are WestCo batteries such crap?
 
Just found out my fourth (& last!!) WestCo is dead after spending the off season on a tender, in a heated shop.

Some background-

Battery #1 arrived and was installed but failed before the month of May, 2 years ago, was out. IIRC, it lasted 29 days exactly. I did contact MK Battery, they did send a replacement which arrived cracked & leaking...so they sent out another. The package was not damaged, just the battery, which I found odd.

In the meantime:

Not believing it could be a failed, new battery I performed troubleshooting,etc & out of frustration bought a WalMart "neverstart" that I could always use in the tractor. It fired the bike right up.

When the replacement for the replacement arrived I installed that in another bike. That WestCo was in use for 6 months, then stored as per my conversation with Paul(?) at MK battery- on a tender in a heated space. The next spring, which was last year, that battery was leaking. After a few conversations, he sent yet another one my way. Though the bike it was in last year saw minimal use, it was on a tender & it seemed to function fine up to the day I removed it.

Taking it out of storage & installing it earlier today, I was anxious to hear the bike wake up. What I heard was...nothing. No starter, no lights. Dead.

Battery seems to have a "surface" charge only, failing under load. Not only that, but if I'm reading the code correctly, this battery is actually older than the one I initially purchased by one full year!

So, at best for me, a WestCo lasted 6 mos of minimal use. The WalMart version is still going strong.

I'm not interested in any sort of warranty replacement again, pro-rated, 100% free or otherwise & won't even make the call. These batteries, whomever manufacturers them vs labelling, are at least in my experience, crap.

Am I alone in this experience?

craydds 04-14-2012 02:32 PM

Wow, sounds like you've had troubles! I have a WestCo battery that is still good after 9 years.

AntonLargiader 04-14-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ozmoses (Post 18456866)
Am I alone in this experience?

You may be alone with that sort of run of bad luck, but I've replaced lots and lots of Westcos. Many of them didn't last long or allowed ABS faults on Oilheads from the beginning.

I think they're junk. Maybe they used to be OK when they were actually Panasonics but now they seem to be lowest bidder.

I sell a lot of Odysseys and they last very well.

craydds 04-14-2012 04:27 PM

Anton, I may want to try an Odyssey for my other R90S.

supershaft 04-14-2012 06:48 PM

Made in China gives me a lot of trouble. Nothing against Chinese people. I know they can make good stuff if they want to but I guess most buyers don't want good stuff. Working 70 hours a week for 28 cents an hour isn't good either. Especially when just saying the word 'union' can get you 12 years in prison. In this country China is a lot of people's model for free market capitalism. China is run by Marxist. It's really quite a good example of what any country would be like without unions and workers rights. Without unions and workers rights a marxist and a capitalist end up being about the same thing I guess.

squish 04-14-2012 06:55 PM

Don't discount the tender as being bad. For long term storage I've taken to using a digital lamp timer and setting it to come on only for a few hours ever few days.

Boon Booni 04-14-2012 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozmoses (Post 18456866)

Am I alone in this experience?

Wow..

I've had two in my airhead. First one lasted 9 years, and I replaced it because I thought, damn that's an old battery.

That was in 2008. The second seems to be holding up just as well.

I don't trickle charge my batteries. My airhead will sit sometimes 6 months over the winter in my unheated garage. :dunno
I've never had to jump start the bike.

Bill Harris 04-14-2012 07:56 PM

AGM batteries are the new technology, but I'm a traditionalist and use the old reliable slosh-batteries. At least you can remove the filler caps and check the state of each cell with a hygrometer. And Yuasa is built here in the USA.

bmweuro 04-14-2012 08:02 PM

I sold thousands upon thousands of Westco batteries over 10 years and the only issue we ever had was one batch of 12V30's which was a /6 and /7 battery. Westco took care of them and never a problem since.
Sounds like your charger might be the issue or.......

ozmoses 04-14-2012 08:06 PM

9 years?!? That's living right.

All in all though, it seems I'm not alone in my sentiment about WestCo brand...interestingly mine were (are) the 12v30's.

supershaft 04-14-2012 08:58 PM

AGM batteries have been around for 30 years now. Even good batteries have a lot of bad batteries in the mix. Panasonic has been the buzz battery for a while now and I hear bad stories along with the good about them too. That's batteries in general but I think that part of the deal is a lot worse coming out of China. I have seen Battery Tenders cook wet cells dry in a year's time. They over charge big time as far as leaving them hooked up continuously is concerned.

batoutoflahonda 04-15-2012 09:20 AM

I don't charge them over winter (Oct.-April/May) and I've had a mix of batteries, including wesco. They sit in the bike (dirt, oilhead, airhead) unheated and still hooked up and usually have enough juice to get the bike to fire. If not, I just put a regular old charger on them for about an hour and never had a problem with them. I change them out more often for time than any thing else.

Be an interesting pole: trickle charge vs not over winter/results. Maybe keeping them at full charge isn't a good thing?

rufusswan 04-15-2012 09:41 AM

I've never trickle-charged a battery, even over winter. I do at times bring them into the the house. Of course, I don't remember which decade that I first heard of trickle chargers.

I have heard the 'old wives tale' that setting them on the concrete in a cold garage would deplete them.

lkchris 04-15-2012 12:40 PM

The original mission of Westco batteries is hospital emergency lighting.

They're not designed for automotive use let alone to fit a BMW.

ozmoses 04-15-2012 01:06 PM

To trickle charge or not, that is the question. I was never sure myself, hadn't done so previously but went w/ the advice of MK battery rep.

It's funny, I also will not put a battery on concrete for fear of that same tale.:eek1


Dunno' Ikchris, you should inform WestCo of that in as much as mine has printed, not labelled, on the back:

Replaces BMW 53030.

Hopefully y'all are out riding!


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