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Canuman 08-15-2012 05:52 PM

Give Me A Sanity Check -- KDX200
 
I've been through the gamut. I started on road bikes and scooters, caught the dual-sport bug bought a KLR, then a DRZ400E. I am currently lusting for a little bike -- a true trails bike. I am too old and fat for a motocrosser, and frankly, MX doesn't interest me. What I've been looking for is something small and light to ride on the trails close to home. I have an XT250 project in the pipe, but it's an old and slightly stodgy machine whose suspension won't ever approach modern standards.

An inmate and friend has offered me his KDX200. I think it's an '03, but I could be mistaken. He's reluctant to let it go, but needs the cash to build his business. He's an ultra-anal bastige, and takes superb care of all his machines. He also rides them hard, so the bike's not a virgin.

Am I about to get a butt-whuppin? The thing makes 37 hp from a bike that's about 270 pounds wet. Except for the family's Vespa scooters, I've not ridden a two-stroke in many years. I have the check in hand, because I like the look of the thing and think it could be a tremendous hoot.

I have the Kool-aid glass in my hand as I write this. Should I swallow?

lewismedlock 08-15-2012 05:59 PM

A buddy of mine had one. We traded bikes on the trail one day, and I dropped it in the first corner. It didn't have the compression braking of my 4-stroke! I was impressed with it. Once I remembered how to use the back brake, I enjoyed riding it. Light, and with plenty of power, I'd like to have one.

Canuman 08-15-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lewismedlock (Post 19369784)
A buddy of mine had one. We traded bikes on the trail one day, and I dropped it in the first corner. It didn't have the compression braking of my 4-stroke! I was impressed with it. Once I remembered how to use the back brake, I enjoyed riding it. Light, and with plenty of power, I'd like to have one.

That was the impression I got. I'll need to adjust my riding style significantly. I am a compression-braking whore. My first real bike was an airhead BMW. I rarely used the brakes. I'd just kick her down a cog and things would slow down. The brakes weren't really that good anyway. The compression braking was superb.

stainlesscycle 08-15-2012 06:31 PM

you'll get used to it. i can't ride a 4 stroke in the woods anymore to save my life. modern 2 stroke is a lot of fun in the woods. just ride a gear higher than you would normally and it'll smooth it all out for you. throttle control is everything. use the brakes to your advantage. can't brake slide with compression braking :D learn to love the clutch to get on the pipe.

Harvey Krumpet 08-15-2012 06:35 PM

I like them. Had a KDX 250 for awhile which was a bit of a beast with a race pipe. The 200's are very highly regarded down here as a do it all trail bike but not intimidating. Plenty are still being ridden in Clubmans enduros & trail rides.
I have a DT 230 in the garage which makes more power, is heavier, has less suspension & it's an absolute blast.on trails.

If it's a good bike buy it, heaps of fun.

dpforth 08-15-2012 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Canuman (Post 19369731)
The thing makes 37 hp from a bike that's about 270 pounds wet.

Are you sure about that weight, seems awful heavy? I looked and found 222lbs dry, which seems close, maybe a bit low.

Harvey Krumpet 08-15-2012 08:52 PM

Prolly about right wet. HERE.

13 ltrs of go fluids, a bit of brake fluid & coolant. Sounds spot on.

stainlesscycle 08-16-2012 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dpforth (Post 19371009)
Are you sure about that weight, seems awful heavy? I looked and found 222lbs dry, which seems close, maybe a bit low.

almost all the manufactures are pretty optimistic when it comes to 'spec weight'. it's probably close to 260-270 wet. but since all the manufacturers do it, the lighter bikes all feel light comparatively,

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Originally Posted by Canuman (Post 19369731)
Am I about to get a butt-whuppin? The thing makes 37 hp from a bike that's about 270 pounds wet.

again, this spec is for a brand new bike. it could still be making that (or maybe more depending on what's been done to it). don't let that hp scare ya - it's all how it delivers the power. it's a kdx, not a mx bike, so it's not gonna rip your arms off....


the kdx is a great trail bike, very forgiving. and enough power when you need it.

Canuman 08-16-2012 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by stainlesscycle (Post 19371929)
almost all the manufactures are pretty optimistic when it comes to 'spec weight'. it's probably close to 260-270 wet. but since all the manufacturers do it, the lighter bikes all feel light comparatively,



again, this spec is for a brand new bike. it could still be making that (or maybe more depending on what's been done to it). don't let that hp scare ya - it's all how it delivers the power. it's a kdx, not a mx bike, so it's not gonna rip your arms off....


the kdx is a great trail bike, very forgiving. and enough power when you need it.

My friend has done the top end, if the Wiseco Pistons sticker means a thing. He's not a guy to slap stickers on at random. I'm pretty sure it will be near rated power.

At 200 lbs less than my KLR in running trim and probably at least 60 lbs less than the DRZ, it's going to be a significant difference in weight.

Anyone used a "gnarly woods pipe" on one of these? Worth the biscuit?

Shocktower 08-16-2012 09:31 AM

I think you need it, and the weight is a little high, my KTM 530 only weighs 247, enjoy the ride :clap

JWhitmore44 08-16-2012 09:35 AM

Great place for KDX info http://www.dirtrider.net/forums3/forumdisplay.php?f=6


My son has a 01 KDX220, it's kind of like the 2 stroke version of the XR400. Nice lower end torque for a 2 stroke, just as said before, not as much compression breaking. You can't be quite as lazy as you can on a 4 stroke but they lug pretty good. Most info that I read says to use the woods pipe on the 200 as the 200 doesn't have quite as much low end as the 220. XR400 springs in the forks supposed to help the front, the rear shock isn't too bad unless you are really heavy. It's a nice light trail bike, easy to pick up when you dump it. Easy to wrestle around on tight trails. It was made for trails :)

Canuman 08-16-2012 04:06 PM

I now own it. Paid for it today. My buddy inmate Jackpiner57 (rack fabricator extraordinaire) filled me in a little more. It's an '02, with the top end job done not so many running hours ago by some KDX guru in Indiana, trick reeds, and a pipe. It's not the woods pipe. He also has the stock pipe. I'll need to re-spring the shock, as he weighs quite a bit less than I. The forks feel fine. The bike is relatively minty for a dirt bike, and has been plated in VT. Gotta love it. It has a few scratches, but hasn't been thrown away into too many New England granite walls. It's the appropriate green.

Harvey Krumpet 08-16-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Canuman (Post 19377204)
I now own it. Paid for it today. My buddy inmate Jackpiner57 (rack fabricator extraordinaire) filled me in a little more. It's an '02, with the top end job done not so many running hours ago by some KDX guru in Indiana, trick reeds, and a pipe. It's not the woods pipe. He also has the stock pipe. I'll need to re-spring the shock, as he weighs quite a bit less than I. The forks feel fine. The bike is relatively minty for a dirt bike, and has been plated in VT. Gotta love it. It has a few scratches, but hasn't been thrown away into too many New England granite walls. It's the appropriate green.

I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts & observations when you have had some time to live with it. Congratulations:freaky

PistonPants 08-16-2012 10:36 PM

Enjoy the KDX. It is, hands down, the finest small bore enduro bike EVER to come out of Japan. Learn to shift a lot. You got a six speed on a bike that will barely do 50. If you want engine braking, grab second.

Peace
Piston

Canuman 08-16-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PistonPants (Post 19379631)
Enjoy the KDX. It is, hands down, the finest small bore enduro bike EVER to come out of Japan. Learn to shift a lot. You got a six speed on a bike that will barely do 50. If you want engine braking, grab second.

Peace
Piston

I thought that might be the case. Got to scrub up the carb and see if this dog will hunt. It looks like it will hunt!


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