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NCD 08-30-2012 12:07 PM

Lubin' Yer Balls (DIY 800GS Wheel Bearing Service)
 
Chances are, you are riding around with little or no grease in your wheel bearings. Sad but true. Bearing manufacturers ensure robust future sales by skimping on the grease during assembly. (This is not BMWís fault BTW, before you hate.) But the good news is, those ďsealedĒ bearings that make you feel all warm and fuzzy can be opened up and grease can be added. Its loads of fun. (Not really.) But it is easy, so letís get started.
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I am assuming that you know how/have the tools to get the wheels off of your bike. If not, then you are in trouble.
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Tools needed for loobiní:

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Screwdriver or panel puller to remove the big external seals<o:p></o:p>
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Wheel bearing grease (preferably in a pencil-tipped gun)
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Front Wheel:
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Use the big screwdriver or panel puller to pop the big external seal out of the wheel:
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Now you can see the actual bearing. Take a DULL, very THIN tool of some type and CAREFULLY slide it between the rubber seal and the metal outer race of the bearing. My tool of choice here is a dull x-acto blade. Use caution not to damage the lips of the rubber seal. A light twist pops it right off.
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Donít be shocked if you see naked balls inside your wheels. Take the grease gun and aim it right between each pair, and shoot grease into the void between them. This puts it in the bearings path. FWIW, what looks like bearings here is actually the carrier, the bearings are actually behind it.)
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Leave some empty space in the cavity Ė maybe aim for filling the bearing like 80%. Itís no biggie if you put too much Ė it just seems to ooze out the excess when things get really hot.
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By hand, snap the bearing seal back in nice and even, making sure the seal sits into the grooves in the bearing. Put the big outer seal pack in place flush with the outside of the hub. Sometimes these need a very light bump with a rubber mallet to set back home. Spooge a little grease on the lips of the seal where it runs on the axle or spacer.
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OK. Turn the wheel over, and remove the big outer seal. Uh oh, WTF is that stupid ring in the way for? Dammit. Just take the snap ring pliers, engage the holes and squeeze. Lift the snap ring out of the groove and set it aside. (The snap ring blocks you from pulling the bearing seal out.)
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Grease up this bearing the same as the other - - just remember to put the snap ring back into place before you button things up with the big outer seal. Installation is the reverse or removal, right? Right.
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Rear Wheel:
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You have 3 bearings to do in the rear. Grab the sprocket carrier and pull it straight out from the wheel. Set it and the 4 cush rubbers aside for now.
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So, you know the drill now. Service that drive side bearing just like the front.
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Flip the wheel over, and meet your old friend the snap ring again.
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Time to do the bearing in the sprocket carrier. Pull the seal off, just like the others.
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Thereís another snap ring in the way here, too. No problemo.
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Itís good form to put grease on the axles, spacers, and the sealing surfaces of the rubber seals when putting the wheels back on your bike. Just wipe off the external excess once things are all back together to avoid a mountain of dust building up on everything. That way, things come back apart later without drama.
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Now start arguing about what kind of bearing grease is best, and whether itís OK to use synthetic. <o:p></o:p>

grndzr0 08-30-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NCD (Post 19481658)
Chances are, you are riding around with little or no grease in your wheel bearings.
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Now start arguing about what kind of bearing grease is best, and whether itís OK to use synthetic. <o:p></o:p>


Awesome!!!

Thanks a bunch!!!!

Ryan

NCD 08-30-2012 01:14 PM

This is my 2nd time greasing the bearings on this bike. I did it the first time shortly after bringing it home new.

The 4 wheel bearings only had a spaghetti thin bead of crappy grease on top of the carrier. Bearings were dry.

The carrier bearing (a different brand for some reason) had plenty of grease.

10,000 miles later they all still feel new and notchless.

TheCowboy 08-30-2012 10:08 PM

Thanks so much for taking the time to post this. I did not know you could service a sealed bearing. I jsst today replaced my rear wheel bearings for the second time in 62,000 miles.

TheCowboy

Ronin ADV 09-01-2012 08:29 AM

Nice writeup. Maybe Wildman can link this thread to the F800 index / database.

fiwi 09-01-2012 09:11 AM

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Now start arguing about what kind of bearing grease is best, and whether itís OK to use synthetic.
Well? anyone?

NCD 09-01-2012 01:18 PM

Some more to chew on:

I popped both seals off of a brand new bearing to showcase the scant use of grease in a new unit. Sad. Unless you own stock in or run a bearing company, then it's good. Sadder still is that this bearing has FAR more grease in it than mine did when new. No wonder people sizzle through these in like 6-8000 miles (bore problems not included.)

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I flushed out what grease is there to show the guts clearer. The bearings (mostly hidden), the carrier, and the voids that you want to smoosh grease into (the bearing's path.)

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Cambi 09-01-2012 01:39 PM

Mobilgrease 28
 
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Originally Posted by fiwi (Post 19496256)
Well? anyone?

http://www.exxonmobil.com/Belgium-En...grease_28.aspx

Zoef zoef 09-01-2012 01:48 PM

Nice writeup. Only thing I'm worried about is the mount of grease. 80% is according to manufacturers specifications way too much. About 30% filling of the free space is deemed sufficient. Too much grease, results in the bearing running too hot, and he grease will melt. Then the grease can go out if the bearing, which result in too little grease. Therefore the correct amount grease is vital for bearing life, not too little, not too much.

machinebuilder 09-01-2012 02:05 PM

so much misinformation on the internet

LukasM 09-01-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoef zoef (Post 19497586)
Nice writeup. Only thing I'm worried about is the mount of grease. 80% is according to manufacturers specifications way too much. About 30% filling of the free space is deemed sufficient. Too much grease, results in the bearing running too hot, and he grease will melt. Then the grease can go out if the bearing, which result in too little grease. Therefore the correct amount grease is vital for bearing life, not too little, not too much.

The wheels are not turning anywhere near the maximum RPM that these bearings will be rated for, so you can fill them up with more grease and still not get any heat issues.

NCD 09-02-2012 07:37 AM

I used to fill them 100%. When I did that, I would get some grease that would migrate outside of the bearing after a few 1000 miles. But there would still be WAY more left inside than there ever was before the lube job. My 'scientific analysis' suggested that this was about 10-20% of the grease.

Now I fill them about 80% and it all stays in. Could vary I guess depending on type of grease?

Who cares. It's all better than the watered down Chinese dog turds I find in there from the factory. :D

itsatdm 09-02-2012 10:01 AM

Low bidder apparently gets the bearing contract. Different brand name bearing on different bikes. Mine had different color grease in the rear bearings.

I had a worry about packing them and Woody advised more is better, they don't spin that fast.

Wildman 10-14-2012 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WW Ronin (Post 19495997)
Nice writeup. Maybe Wildman can link this thread to the F800 index / database.

Done. Sorry for the delay, fellas!

JRWooden 10-14-2012 08:06 PM

I'm not sure anyone could find fault with the specs. for the Mobilegrease 28 Aviation-rated grease.

I do wonder about compatibility in a mixed environment.... some greases do not play well with others.
If trying to top up the grease while on the bike, I'm not sure how we asses compatibility with the unknown factory lube.
if installing new bearings you have the ability to wash the factory grease out first and then fill with your choice...

Any comments/thoughts on this?


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