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ilyaon 09-26-2012 05:44 PM

2013 F800GS forks and rims
 
Since it has been a lot of complains regarding F800 forks and rims, do anyone knows if these issues have been resolved on 2013 model?

PatrickM 09-26-2012 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ilyaon (Post 19687585)
Since it has been a lot of complains regarding F800 forks and rims, do anyone knows if these issues have been resolved on 2013 model?

From my understanding - it's a different front fork.

Camel ADV 09-26-2012 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrickM (Post 19689392)
From my understanding - it's a different front fork.

Really? Where did you here that? I'm not being a smart-ass prick, I just hadn't hear that before. If it's true I'm curious what they swapped to.

SaTaNaX 09-27-2012 01:52 AM

Same Rims, but the forks are WP. :evil

LukasM 09-27-2012 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Oso Blanco (Post 19689750)
Really? Where did you here that? I'm not being a smart-ass prick, I just hadn't hear that before. If it's true I'm curious what they swapped to.

+1? :huh

Gundy 09-27-2012 04:54 AM

I am curious to know this as well as I am soon to be purchasing either an 800 or the KTM. Really like the 800, but needing to upgrade suspension and wheels on an already pricey bike seems like a bad plan.

LukasM 09-27-2012 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Gundy (Post 19690481)
I am curious to know this as well as I am soon to be purchasing either an 800 or the KTM. Really like the 800, but needing to upgrade suspension and wheels on an already pricey bike seems like a bad plan.

FYI the KTMs have the same wide and soft rims if you are talking about the 950/990 Adventure.

I still doubt that BMW has done any real upgrade to the forks like - gasp - making them adjustable or even just not crimping the cartridges so that they could at least be revalved...

But maybe PatrickM will expand on what he heard and where.

greenthumb 09-27-2012 11:02 AM

Specs say 43mm diameter now over the old 45mm. Same 230mm travel.

LukasM 09-27-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by greenthumb (Post 19692700)
Specs say 43mm diameter now over the old 45mm. Same 230mm travel.

No they don't. Bad source.

greenthumb 09-27-2012 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LukasM (Post 19692728)
No they don't. Bad source.

Straight from the horses ass

http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/i...ion=&notrack=1

Engine
Type Water-cooled 4-stroke in-line two-cylinder engine, two valves per cylinder, two overhead camshafts, dry sump lubrication
Bore x stroke 82 mm x 75.6 mm
Capacity 798 cc
Rated output 63 kW (85 hp) at 7,500 rpm (possible 35 kW (48 hp) at 7,000 rpm
Max. torque 83 Nm at 5,750 rpm (derating 63 Nm at 6,000 rpm)
Compression ratio 12.0 : 1
Mixture control / engine management Electroinc intake pipe injection, digital engine management (BMS-K+)
Emission control Closed-loop 3-way catalytic converter, emission standard EU-3
Performance / fuel consumption
Maximum speed Over 200 km/h
Fuel consumption per 100 km at constant 90 km/h 3.8 l
Fuel consumption per 100 km at constant 120 km/h 5.2 l
Fuel type Unleaded super, minimum octane rating 95 (RON); optional extra 91 (RON) available
Electrical system
Alternator three-phase alternator 400 W
Battery 12 V / 14 Ah, maintenance-free
Power transmission
Clutch Multiple-disc clutch in oil bath, mechanically operated
Gearbox Constant mesh 6-speed gearbox integrated into crankcase
Drive Endless O-ring chain with shock damping in rear wheel hub
Chassis / brakes
Frame Tubular steel space frame, load-bearing engine
Front wheel location / suspension Upside-down telescopic fork, 43 mm
Rear wheel location / suspension Cast aluminium dual swing arm, WAD strut (travel related damping), spring pre-load hydraulically adjustable (continuously variable) at handwheel, rebound damping adjustable
Suspension travel front / rear 230 mm / 215 mm
Wheelbase 1,578 mm
Castor 117 mm
Steering head angle 64
Wheels Wire spoke wheels
Rim, front 2.15 x 21"
Rim, rear 4.25 x 17"
Tyres, front 90/90 - 21 54V
Tyres, rear 150/70 - 17 69V
Brake, front Dual disc, floating brake discs, diameter 300 mm, double-piston floating calipers, ABS
Brake, rear Single disc, diameter 265 mm, single-piston floating caliper, ABS
ABS Standard
Dimensions / weights
Length 2,320 mm
Width (incl. mirrors) 945 mm
Height (excl. mirrors) 1,350 mm
Seat height, unladen weight 880 mm (low seat: 850 mm, with lowering: 820 mm, Rallye seat: 920 mm, comfort seat: 895 mm)
Inner leg curve, unladen weight 1,930 mm (low seat: 1,880 mm, with lowering: 1,820 mm, Rallye seat: 1,990 mm, comfort seat: 1,960 mm)
Unladen weight, road ready, fully fuelled 1) 214 kg
Dry weight 2) 191 kg
Permitted total weight 443 kg
Payload (with standard equipment) 229 kg
Usable tank volume 16 l
Reserve approx. 4 l

LukasM 09-27-2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by greenthumb (Post 19692741)


I would say the horses mouth is in Germany, and this is what the Motorrad DE site says:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...7at71447PM.jpg

I'd bet money on the fact that the forks are the same between the US and Germany, and that Motorrad USA simply screwed up.

Wanna bet against me? :deal

Emperor Norton 09-27-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LukasM (Post 19692768)
I would say the horses mouth is in Germany, and this is what the Motorrad DE site says:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...7at71447PM.jpg

I'd bet money on the fact that the forks are the same between the US and Germany, and that Motorrad USA simply screwed up.

Wanna bet against me? :deal

I'd bet against you. And I'd win. Care to know why? The US site didn't screw up. That international site OTOH did.

The US site (http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/index.html) lists the forks as 45mm so it's the same as the German one.:D

http://content.screencast.com/users/.../f800forks.png

LukasM 09-27-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeDuck (Post 19692815)
I'd bet against you. And I'd win. Care to know why? The US site didn't screw up. That international site OTOH did.

The US site (http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/index.html) lists the forks as 45mm so it's the same as the German one.

Is that your way of saying that you agree with me that the forks are still the same shitty cheap 45mm Zokes? :D

Emperor Norton 09-27-2012 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LukasM (Post 19692835)
Is that your way of saying that you agree with me that the forks are still the same shitty cheap 45mm Zokes? :D

Yup:freaky

PatrickM 09-27-2012 01:08 PM

New fork, why do I say this? This was a recollection from about two weeks back, but I'll try to explain what I do remember.

This came in from my dealer when the bike was in for her first service (9/15). He noticed a leak and proceeded to tear down the fork.

At that point he noticed that the fork seal was a different size, and I want to say 43mm. He went looking in the US for a replacement seal and there weren't any in the CONUS. He checked the parts diagram and saw that the Germany site wasn't up to date with the new 2013 model and that there were only 10 (5 sets) of those seals in DE anyhow (so he requested an overnight of a set of seals). In addition, because of the different size of the seals he said BMW hadn't released an official tool to do the job.

They cleaned it up and put it back as best they could. Told me to keep an eye on it and if it happens, be prepared to take it in again.

In conclusion..

1. No fork seals available in the US
2. No updated tool to manage/replace/repair the seals
3. Only 10 available in Germany
4. Having to overnight replacement seals

This leads me to believe it's a different fork. If it were the same fork and seal, they'd be able to swap it out with the parts they had/have on hand.


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