ADVrider

ADVrider (http://www.advrider.com/forums/index.php)
-   Orange Crush (http://www.advrider.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=34)
-   -   Off throttle backfire (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=836817)

5 speed 10-26-2012 09:56 AM

Off throttle backfire
 
Hi there. So It took my bike in for a valve adjustment. Generally do everything myself but havent adjusted the valves and figured I would have it done professionally. The bike was at the shop for 4 weeks as I had springs ordered for the front end and also sent my seat out to be redone. I figured the gas may have gone bad but I did have the Marine Stabilizer in it. I sprayed seafoam in the carbs and also ran some through the gas and then rode it about 500 miles. My conclusion because, it idles fine and performs well is that there is an airleak. It backfiring and spitting when the throttle is chopped. I remember putting the carbs in myself once and thought they seated but then took the tanks off and could see through the access panels that they weren't quite right.

So, before I pull the tanks, any ideas of how I might tell where the airleak is coming from (with suspect that it may have to do with the dis/reassembly from the valve job). your thoughts would be appreciated.

snowhawk jockey 10-26-2012 11:01 AM

Did the shop fiddle with your exhaust at all? Air leak there is a sure backfire.

TheMuffinMan 10-26-2012 12:30 PM

I'd make sure the carbs are seated in the boots, and then I'd be going over the exhausts for cracks/leaks.

Spiritwalker2222 10-26-2012 01:08 PM

Check you exhaust header. If the bolt and nut are loose it can cause your bike to bikefire whenever you let off the throttle.

5 speed 10-26-2012 02:45 PM

Cool I will try those suggestions before I jump on the carbs and report back. Thanks much

DirtyADV 10-27-2012 04:38 AM

Had bad backfiring when engine braking from like 4500 rpm and below.

Carbs were not touched when the bike developed this, found it to be an air leak on one of the hoses on the intake below the carbs that are used when syncing the carbs (smog stuff removed).

Poorly seated or torn intake rubber could probably cause it also.

/Johan

5 speed 10-27-2012 08:05 PM

I guess I got ahead of myself. I fired it up in the driveway and it ran and idled fine, no backfiring. So I put it together last night (had not gone so far as pulling the tanks) and today it ran terrific, idled perfect, but still backfires when winding down from about 4,000 RPM. It seems to be the right pipe which is the front cylinder. I checked around the head and the pipe joint and did not find a leak. as far as the carbs i did as much inspection from topside I could and the carbs seem seated (although I have been fooled before on that one). I would say its definitely an airleak.

MrEndo 10-27-2012 11:12 PM

U can spray a carb cleaner like Berryman B12 on the areas you suspect are leaking. If the idle goes up or down it is sucking the spray in through a leak. Be cautios not to spray so much that it is getting sucked in the carb intake. You might need to hold it at a fast idle for best results.

geometrician 10-27-2012 11:18 PM

Intake not exhaust leak
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrEndo (Post 19915546)
U can spray a carb cleaner like Berryman B12 on the areas you suspect are leaking. If the idle goes up or down it is sucking the spray in through a leak.

WD40 works just as well & isn't caustic as carb cleaners are

air leak WAY more likely to be the cause than exhaust

MrEndo 10-27-2012 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geometrician (Post 19915560)
WD40 works just as well & isn't caustic as carb cleaners are

air leak WAY more likely to be the cause than exhaust

I was suggesting it for an intake leak....

5 speed 10-28-2012 05:53 AM

Yes I will try that and see. I do have a question however, I have noticed that when looking at the slides in the carbs, when pulling the throttle cable one opens slightly sooner than the other, I think the rear carb is opening first. Is that correct?

StmbtDave 10-28-2012 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5 speed (Post 19916315)
Yes I will try that and see. I do have a question however, I have noticed that when looking at the slides in the carbs, when pulling the throttle cable one opens slightly sooner than the other, I think the rear carb is opening first. Is that correct?

No, that is not correct. Both should open exactly at the same time and open the exact same amount. What you're seeing may be caused by one of the throttle cables not being seated correctly or as it was in my case, one of the carb diaphrams being torn. I would first check the cables as they may have been disturbed during the shop work.

Dave

Boatman 10-28-2012 07:34 AM

Slides are vacuum controlled... butterflies are operated by the cables. All should work identical (for the most part) between carbs. If one of the slides are lagging, it could be hanging up or a vacuum leak or a pin hole in a diaphram or some other small issue could cause that.

Also carb sync could be at the root of the problem.

geometrician 10-28-2012 08:29 AM

Air Cut Valve
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrEndo (Post 19915581)
I was suggesting it for an intake leak....

that's what we're talking about... not trying to set the bike on fire!

on the many bikes that use this CVK carb the air-cut valve diaphragm is the known culprit for backfiring on closed throttle

it's item #34 on the carb parts diagram...

K2m 10-28-2012 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5 speed (Post 19914824)
I guess I got ahead of myself. I fired it up in the driveway and it ran and idled fine, no backfiring. So I put it together last night (had not gone so far as pulling the tanks) and today it ran terrific, idled perfect, but still backfires when winding down from about 4,000 RPM. .

When a LC8 is perfectly tuned they do this.

It may be possible to tune it out by changing the Air Leak jet on the ACV (air cut valve) it's on the pilot circuit.

If you wish to explore this option I can help further.

If I understand correctly :-
It came back from the shop popping on decel. ..... Spot on.


Times are GMT -7.   It's 05:16 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014