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rossguzzi 11-04-2012 07:15 PM

Clutch plates, replace with ZX-10
 
I read somewhere that ZX-10 plates are an exact replacement and cheeper. Now I`m in for a new set soon so may well get these. But I didnt read what year ZX-10 works. Perhaps they are all the same? I dont know.

Anyone used these like to advise?

Cheers.

kamanya 11-05-2012 06:23 AM

I did this a while ago.

So long as it is not the steel plates and you are only looking for the fiber ones then you are halfway there. The first fiber plate is unique to the KTM and you can get away with not changing it if it is barely in spec and not glazed. The rest can be found from a Kawasaki ZZR 600's & 1100 for the 2006 and before.

The safest way is to pitch up at a Kawa dealer with one of the plates from your clutch pack and a vernier and ask to rummage around.

That's what I did.

gefr 11-05-2012 07:49 AM

You can get a pack by EBC.
 
Here is an example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KTM-990-Supe..._Parts&vxp=mtr

also :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KTM-990-SUPE...sories&vxp=mtr

and also by Barnett and by Vesrah.
Cheers.

cjracer 11-05-2012 11:40 AM

Or you get get the complete KTM kits with steels, springs and fibers. If it time for new fiber, NEW springs will help to keep the New fibers from slipping more than they should.

Changing just one part of the system can have you chasing issues down the road.

We have these in stock.

Cheaper than the KTM, but still OEM qualitly.


I find the OEMs last longer than aftermarket.


If you want just fiber and a new "Special" KTM fiber, we have those too.

Email for info.

rossguzzi 11-05-2012 07:32 PM

I just finished inspecting and measuring plates and springs. All seem to be within specs. So thats good !
My problem seems to be creeping with clutch in. I will be getting bigger jet (the one in it has no number) and I see the hard rubber block under the slave is newish looking but the center hole looks skewed. May replace this.

Thanks for the other info. I have recorded it for future.

Cheers.

cjracer 11-05-2012 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rossguzzi (Post 19978828)
I just finished inspecting and measuring plates and springs. All seem to be within specs. So thats good !
My problem seems to be creeping with clutch in. I will be getting bigger jet (the one in it has no number) and I see the hard rubber block under the slave is newish looking but the center hole looks skewed. May replace this.

Thanks for the other info. I have recorded it for future.

Cheers.

What year bike?

Could be push rod getting shorter over time/fatigue (03-04 w/ 3 piece unit), or Clutch slave on it's way out also.

rossguzzi 11-05-2012 09:07 PM

It`s an 03. The bike just came back from a mechanic and he said there was a small pin in the clutch rod that was broken. He replaced it. Slave is not leaking. I will bleed next just in case. Where the ball bearing meets the rod there is a tiny mark in the end of the rod. I think this is ok.
Cheers.

Just got the jet drilled out to 0.5 and it drags even more now ! Before I could still get neutral sometimes. Now, I dont think so :(

cjracer 11-06-2012 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rossguzzi (Post 19979429)
It`s an 03. The bike just came back from a mechanic and he said there was a small pin in the clutch rod that was broken. He replaced it. Slave is not leaking. I will bleed next just in case. Where the ball bearing meets the rod there is a tiny mark in the end of the rod. I think this is ok.
Cheers.

Just got the jet drilled out to 0.5 and it drags even more now ! Before I could still get neutral sometimes. Now, I don't think so :(


The Pin only holds the rod from spinning and could be broken from installing the slave system wrong. That could cause it to hang up if jammed.

The 03' has the OLD style 3 piece push rod stock, that should have been pull completely out and inspected or upgraded. If it's gotten shorter from compression over use, this could be an issue. You won't have enough travel to compensate for this in the Slave unit.

Having a small dot on the end of the shaft is normal, but if it's too big, that's not good.

With a larger oil jet, a little blip of the throttle might be needed to find nuetral. It's a feel thing, but should not be a huge issue.

rossguzzi 11-06-2012 04:59 AM

I will pull the whole rod out tomorow. I want to get to the bottom of this ! :1drink

cjracer 11-06-2012 05:28 AM

Link to pick of OLD(Top) vs NEW (Bottom)

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=77

rossguzzi 11-07-2012 08:56 PM

Update,
I checked and I have the new rod.
I put the one steel plate that was slightly grooved back to 'first in' position. It hardly creeps now !
Is the first plate to go in meant to have a slight groove in it where it meets the Belviere spring and washer?

I have (hopefully) included some pics of the clutch basket. There is some wear marks from the fibre plates. The pics make it look worse than is in real life.
Can the wear marks be filed out?
Just curious.

Cheers.


PS how do you upload pics?

Vicks 11-07-2012 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rossguzzi (Post 19996531)

PS how do you upload pics?

2 options

photobucket.com = free

smugmug.com = supports advrider

rossguzzi 11-08-2012 06:23 AM

Rode it to work and home. Creeping is back.

I can only think the basket needs replacing and/or the rubber block behind the slave.

Oh well.

kamanya 11-08-2012 07:19 AM

Have you made certain that the oder of the discs is right?

One of the discs is thinner than the rest and is not obviously different with a quick glance, it goes in first. It's called the lining disc part number - 600.32.012.000

Also the spring has to go in one way too.

You shouldn't have a wear mark in any of the discs if it was installed right.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/attac...1&d=1247833790

rossguzzi 11-08-2012 07:29 AM

I am fairly sure all plates and springs are installed correctly. I will double check the spring. Not sure what they mean by 'Spring Washer open side out'
Will check in the morning.
Cheers.

PS, love these forums.
I am a long timer on AF1 Forum. My Aprilia`s have not needed this amount of fine tuning, but I am determined to succeed !


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