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acousticrawk 11-10-2012 07:58 PM

r100r(s or t or whatever...) to dual sport conversion
 
BUILD THREAD BEGINS ON PAGE 3 and 4!

Im looking to get my hands on a r100rt or rs or something monoshock 1000cc, or build something from scratch (i have basically unlimited parts at my disposal, just depends on my budget really, but i want to build something with good ground clearance, 2 seater, good suspension travel, ect. im looking at starting with a late 80's or early 90s bike/frame and going from there. has anyone done a build thread anywhere (preferable an english site) that i can use for reference? TIA peeps!!!

so far i know i want (shopping list):

Big head/carb 1000 engine
mono shock frame

want to keep things as simple and as cheap as possible but not at the expense of reliability because that is my ultimate goal.

what else should i consider??

pics, build threads, specs anything that would help would be greatly appreciated. this will become my build thread soon!

hardwaregrrl 11-11-2012 03:44 AM

Here's one.

Box'a'bits 11-11-2012 07:47 AM

Here's one to aspire to

acousticrawk 11-11-2012 08:30 AM

both are great!!!!

anything or anyone else?

looking to go with more of the link hardwaregrrl posted, but i want to keep it a 2 seater or have the option to go back and fourth. im not stuck trying to build a GS, just want something capable safe and reliable.

Martian 11-11-2012 11:29 AM

Something along these lines? Its basically an R100R, but with a larger front wheel, GS fender and fork brace, bash plate, and 50/50 tires.

http://frommars.smugmug.com/Other/93...0R%20018-M.jpg

acousticrawk 11-11-2012 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martian (Post 20020536)
Something along these lines? Its basically an R100R, but with a larger front wheel, GS fender and fork brace, bash plate, and 50/50 tires.

http://frommars.smugmug.com/Other/93...0R%20018-M.jpg

thats about exactly what id like. maybe a LITTLE more offroad capable, but thats about dead balls on! have any other specs or a build???

Martian 11-11-2012 03:21 PM

The only real difference between this and a stock R100R is the R1100GS 19" front rim. I had it laced to the original hub so I could have a larger selection of DS tires. The fork brace and fender are stock GS parts. The rear shock is after-market, too, although it is the same size as a standard R shock. The windsheild is a rework of a Parabellum from my PD; I cut it down and reshaped it. I'd like to add a set of real DS luggage, but when DS'ing, the bags aren't usually there.

Since the R100R and GS use many of the same components and are based on the same frame, I didn't need to make too many changes to fit my needs. My main goal was to have a bike slightly shorter than a GS that was still capable of traversing most terrain while being comfortable cruising at 80mph. I just finished a 1500 mile round trip to Texas that included rock roads, pastures, and 100mph runs up the interstate. I think it met all my goals quite well.

acousticrawk 11-12-2012 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martian (Post 20021707)
The only real difference between this and a stock R100R is the R1100GS 19" front rim. I had it laced to the original hub so I could have a larger selection of DS tires. The fork brace and fender are stock GS parts. The rear shock is after-market, too, although it is the same size as a standard R shock. The windsheild is a rework of a Parabellum from my PD; I cut it down and reshaped it. I'd like to add a set of real DS luggage, but when DS'ing, the bags aren't usually there.

Since the R100R and GS use many of the same components and are based on the same frame, I didn't need to make too many changes to fit my needs. My main goal was to have a bike slightly shorter than a GS that was still capable of traversing most terrain while being comfortable cruising at 80mph. I just finished a 1500 mile round trip to Texas that included rock roads, pastures, and 100mph runs up the interstate. I think it met all my goals quite well.

what is that rear swing arm called (paralever or telelever or something? i dont know the differences yet)? can it be adapted to any mono shock bike?

Airhead Wrangler 11-12-2012 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrawk (Post 20027647)
what is that rear swing arm called (paralever or telelever or something? i dont know the differences yet)? can it be adapted to any mono shock bike?

Not easily. If you were going to install a paralever you would want the later one used on the R1100 as it doesn't have the driveshaft problems that the 1st gen paralever had. It also would allow more rear travel. Again, it would not be easy at all though to put it on a monolever frame.

acousticrawk 11-12-2012 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airhead Wrangler (Post 20027825)
Not easily. If you were going to install a paralever you would want the later one used on the R1100 as it doesn't have the driveshaft problems that the 1st gen paralever had. It also would allow more rear travel. Again, it would not be easy at all though to put it on a monolever frame.

gotchya, the extending a monolever is a better idea? or finding a g/s monolever?

as well, does anyone know the rake of the frame on RS, RT, GS and g/s? Also, whats the fork rake with the tripple clamp, for the same bikes? trying to decide which forks and such to run with which frame to get a safe setup. any input would be killer! thanks!!!

Beater 11-12-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrawk (Post 20028548)
gotchya, the extending a monolever is a better idea? or finding a g/s monolever?
as well, does anyone know the rake of the frame on RS, RT, GS and g/s? Also, whats the fork rake with the tripple clamp, for the same bikes? trying to decide which forks and such to run with which frame to get a safe setup. any input would be killer! thanks!!!

When I started this quest ... that's where I landed (a monolever R80RT). However, If I had to do it again, I would find a dual shock R80 or R65. Why you ask?

1. The dual shocks have THE WORLD of final drive choices. With the mono, you have three.
2. A R65 can be had CHEAP. I've ridden an R65 which was very close to the output of an R80. Plenty of fun in the woods, and if you keep the RPM's up it was enough on the highway.
3. You can still do the big forks up front, and extending the swingarm has the same issues as a mono.
4. Don't plan on 'selling the RT faring' for a quick $300. Nobody wants them anymore.

You will not find a G/S cheap. That's the fact, and if you did it would cost a large sum to make right. The RS's are typically more money than the RT's. The GS's are getting more rare, and you have to lengthen a monolever swingarm on those just so it fits correctly. Stephen Botcher did it ... and you need to read his page. http://www.stephenbottcher.net/index.html

Here's his diatribe on extending a swingarm (and parelever->monolever conversion): http://www.stephenbottcher.net/BMW/paraconv.htm

At the end of the day I would recommend several things:

1. Don't mess with the geometry of the frame. Let a pro do that. The frames geometry is perfect for the weekend warrior. If you want a race bike, buy a KTM.
2. Buy 'complete' parts. I was able to buy the complete front end of a DRZ400. I didn't have to cobble together brakes rotors, master cyclinders, wheels, axles, mounts ... etc.
3. Make it work first. Don't get all neurotic about the 'perfect seat' ... find a board and tape a towel to it, and go on a ride. The longer you spend 'off' the bike' ... and not riding it ... increases the chances you won't finish it.
4. Do ONE project at a time. Do the forks. Finish the forks. Ride it for a few days. Work out the carbs. Finish the carbs ... Ride it for a few days ... etc.

Good luck :freaky

boxerkuh 11-12-2012 01:42 PM

Monolever/Paralever differences
 
There is a difference. I own one of each.

Monolever are single swing arm airheads from the late 80 all the way through 95. They came in R, RT and RS configuration. With the introduction of the 92 R100R and GS came the Paralever rear end, which were fore runners to the 1100 series. The only Paralever design bikes in airheads are the R and GS, the RT remained a monolever. The best way to see the difference is in color and external size. Monolever's were black, Paralever's were silver. Monolever's are much skinnier when compared to a paralever. There are also mechanical differences between the two. Monolevers have oil, paralevers are dry; in addition you can mate different rear ends to the monolever, but that is not available for paralevers.

Hope that makes sense.

1986 R 80RS (monolever)
1992 R 100 R UK model (paralever)

bikerfish 11-12-2012 01:43 PM

I'll second not adapting a paralever. I have both traditional shaft and paralever boxers, the paralever assy is heavy, the u-joints fragile, and the pivot bearings need attention and service. not worth it for me. I'd stick with a traditional shaft assy, change the lube once in a while and forget about it!

acousticrawk 11-12-2012 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beater (Post 20028676)
When I started this quest ... that's where I landed (a monolever R80RT). However, If I had to do it again, I would find a dual shock R80 or R65. Why you ask?

1. The dual shocks have THE WORLD of final drive choices. With the mono, you have three.
2. A R65 can be had CHEAP. I've ridden an R65 which was very close to the output of an R80. Plenty of fun in the woods, and if you keep the RPM's up it was enough on the highway.
3. You can still do the big forks up front, and extending the swingarm has the same issues as a mono.
4. Don't plan on 'selling the RT faring' for a quick $300. Nobody wants them anymore.

You will not find a G/S cheap. That's the fact, and if you did it would cost a large sum to make right. The RS's are typically more money than the RT's. The GS's are getting more rare, and you have to lengthen a monolever swingarm on those just so it fits correctly. Stephen Botcher did it ... and you need to read his page. http://www.stephenbottcher.net/index.html

Here's his diatribe on extending a swingarm (and parelever->monolever conversion): http://www.stephenbottcher.net/BMW/paraconv.htm

At the end of the day I would recommend several things:

1. Don't mess with the geometry of the frame. Let a pro do that. The frames geometry is perfect for the weekend warrior. If you want a race bike, buy a KTM.
2. Buy 'complete' parts. I was able to buy the complete front end of a DRZ400. I didn't have to cobble together brakes rotors, master cyclinders, wheels, axles, mounts ... etc.
3. Make it work first. Don't get all neurotic about the 'perfect seat' ... find a board and tape a towel to it, and go on a ride. The longer you spend 'off' the bike' ... and not riding it ... increases the chances you won't finish it.
4. Do ONE project at a time. Do the forks. Finish the forks. Ride it for a few days. Work out the carbs. Finish the carbs ... Ride it for a few days ... etc.

Good luck :freaky

THANKS FOR THE KILLER INFO! I found the stephen bottcher site today. awesome info there! your build is sweet too. im def going with a 100 (1000) because i want the extra umph for long loaded highway runs. a large bore carb and head 1000, and i have a few to choose from at work. i def dont want to mess with frame geometry, im just trying to see what the difference in rake is, so i can get as close to the GS as possible with tripple clamps, or ill do like you did and use DR or DRZ forks. good call on the complete bits!

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxerkuh (Post 20028681)
There is a difference. I own one of each.

Monolever are single swing arm airheads from the late 80 all the way through 95. They came in R, RT and RS configuration. With the introduction of the 92 R100R and GS came the Paralever rear end, which were fore runners to the 1100 series. The only Paralever design bikes in airheads are the R and GS, the RT remained a monolever. The best way to see the difference is in color and external size. Monolever's were black, Paralever's were silver. Monolever's are much skinnier when compared to a paralever. There are also mechanical differences between the two. Monolevers have oil, paralevers are dry; in addition you can mate different rear ends to the monolever, but that is not available for paralevers.

Hope that makes sense.

1986 R 80RS (monolever)
1992 R 100 R UK model (paralever)

thanks sir! im thinking ill just buy an extended monolever then, or build one! my question is, if i extend the monolever, how do i extend the shaft whilest keep it balanced, or does it have enough slip (im assuming there is slip... haha)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikerfish (Post 20028688)
I'll second not adapting a paralever. I have both traditional shaft and paralever boxers, the paralever assy is heavy, the u-joints fragile, and the pivot bearings need attention and service. not worth it for me. I'd stick with a traditional shaft assy, change the lube once in a while and forget about it!

thanks!! yeah, im def going to stick with the mono shock, mono lever. maybe a dual shock if i get a good deal, then but better shocks/springs on it.

anyone else have any suggestions? for i start putting parts together?!

Beater 11-12-2012 02:10 PM

PS -

5. The RS has short handlebars. This means you would have to lengthen the cables ... all of them.
6. The dual shock bikes can have spoke wheels. This is another reason ... The Dobber has a cast rear wheel for a reason ... BMW never made a spoke rear for a four bold final drive. Ouch. I didn't think about that one ... Go on Ebay ... spoke rears for a dual shock bike are everywhere.


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