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jtatknox 12-18-2012 07:43 AM

Punched my left turn ticket
 
Inexperienced rider, 1,500 miles total on an '84 BMW R65. I was riding in the city after dark, approaching a 4-way intersection traveling at 25 mph in 2nd gear. I observed a car coming the opposite direction waiting to turn left across my path of travel. I covered the brake, but he pulled out directly in front of me. I tried to initiate an emergency stop, but realized I would t-bone the oncoming vehicle if I didn't increase brake pressure. This caused the front wheel to lock up and I low sided on the right side, coming to rest in the intersection. I deadlifted the bike (never done that before!) and met the driver off to the side. He admitted fault and we exchanged contact and insurance information. "I didn't see you."

What I was wearing:

Whte Shoei RF-1100 with added 3M reflective striping
Schott cafe racer jacket
Forcefield sub4 back protector
Forcefield knee guards
Belstaff Trialmaster overpants
Red Wing Gentleman Traveler boots

Injuries sustained:

Stiff neck
Bruised right hip

Damage to motorcycle:
Ground down right valve cover
Scratched front and rear turn signals
Scratched headlight
Scratched brake reservoir and lever
Scratched right bar end mirror
Scratched front fender
Scratched exhaust
Scratched right shoulder of leather jacket
Helmet did not impact pavement

I contacted my insurance company and reported the accident, then contacted his insurance to file a claim against his liability insurance.

I never thought I'd hear the words, "I didn't even see you.", but I did even though I was wearing very bright retroreflective striping. Now I am thinking: brighter headlights? Modulator?

sparkymcgee 12-18-2012 09:25 AM

Some people just don't pay any fucking attention (as we all know).

As far as visibility, you could have been wearing a giant pink penis costume on the back of a chartreuse rhinoceros with blinking titties and I'm guessing the asshole still wouldn't have seen you.

568V8 12-18-2012 10:20 AM

Atgatt
 
At least you were properly dressed to avoid serious injury.
I use a headlight modulator, but have no proof that it helps or hinders my safety. I also wear a white helmet and high-viz Aerostich RC suit.

You said that he was waiting to turn ...
What was he waiting for?

Was another vehicle traveling just in front of you that may have impeded the driver's ability to see you?

zippy 12-18-2012 10:23 AM

Yep you could catch yourself and bike on fire and people would still "not see you".


Going out to lunch last week had a douche pull right out in front of my friend driving his huge orange Ford Raptor. The thing is twice the size of most vehicles and ORANGE and it still happens.

Good idea with full gear ! Glad to hear it wasn't worse . Be safe

Unca Fud 12-18-2012 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunghole (Post 20276579)
As far as visibility, you could have been wearing a giant pink penis costume on the back of a chartreuse rhinoceros with blinking titties and I'm guessing the asshole still wouldn't have seen you.

Quite a descriptor!

Glad to hear you came out pretty much OK but sorry to hear of the mess it made of yr R65.

jtatknox 12-18-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 568V8 (Post 20276930)
At least you were properly dressed to avoid serious injury.
I use a headlight modulator, but have no proof that it helps or hinders my safety. I also wear a white helmet and high-viz Aerostich RC suit.

You said that he was waiting to turn ...
What was he waiting for?

Was another vehicle traveling just in front of you that may have impeded the driver's ability to see you?

There was a van traveling in front of me at some distance, at least 5-10 car lengths. I saw him, so there's no reason he should not have seen me. I think he was trying to hot dog and flip a left turn the moment the van left the intersection. I spoke to him today and he indicated that his insurance company State Farm thinks it wasn't his fault because I was able to keep my bike from T-boning him! I filed a claim with State Farm today, hoping they pay up. I'm only looking for $300-$500 so I can buy some new ebay parts and rattle can the rest! I could take it to Bob's BMW and get a hefty dealer estimate.

NesquikNinja 12-18-2012 11:44 AM

I had this EXACT thing happen, at least crash wise. Difference being the driver said she saw me and thought she had time to make it. I was crossing a huge patch of sopping wet leaves and never had a chance. Went down the same way, cant believe I didnt impact the car.

Verdict: Even though her dumbass told the cop "I saw him and went ahead anyways" it was 100% liability on my end because as far as the police and insurance companies were concerned it was a one vehicle accident. The cop told me if I had hit her it likely would have been her that was liable-- but then again, I couldve died, broken a leg, etc.

COMPLETE AND TOTAL BULLSHIT on all accounts.

Nothing came of it. I got screwed. Shes going to hell

Ride on! :freaky

EDIT:

I believe if you are to have any luck with this, the other driver will have to understand the situation, actually BE A GOOD PERSON and insist liability on his end. Or, simply ask him for the money that he knows he owes to you. $300-500 is alot to some...installments, whatever. Hopefully there are good people out there somewhere....

Very glad you made it out again and will live to ride again. It a situation like this, I now try to flash my highbeam like a strobe light 2-3 times. Havent been killed by an idiot yet, so I guess its working haha

jtatknox 12-18-2012 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NesquikNinja (Post 20277473)
I had this EXACT thing happen, at least crash wise. Difference being the driver said she saw me and thought she had time to make it. I was crossing a huge patch of sopping wet leaves and never had a chance. Went down the same way, cant believe I didnt impact the car.

Verdict: Even though her dumbass told the cop "I saw him and went ahead anyways" it was 100% liability on my end because as far as the police and insurance companies were concerned it was a one vehicle accident. The cop told me if I had hit her it likely would have been her that was liable-- but then again, I couldve died, broken a leg, etc.

COMPLETE AND TOTAL BULLSHIT on all accounts.

Nothing came of it. I got screwed. Shes going to hell

Ride on! :freaky

What if this happens in a car? Say the other driver crosses into your lane and you either swerve off the road or get hit head on. Is that also a one car accident?!

sparkymcgee 12-18-2012 12:32 PM

Call a motorcycle attorney from a TV commercial. Those guys will only bother with it if they will make money (and they won't if you don't). Having an attorney involved will make State Farm pull their head out of their ass.

DC2wheels 12-18-2012 12:35 PM

A classic "SMIDSY"!


Glad you are in one piece.

der_saeufer 12-18-2012 04:04 PM

This is 205, but OP appears to be new here so I'm posting it anyway:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eqQBubilSXU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

It's a great video once you can get over the fact that everyone is driving on the wrong side of the damn road :D

Also, OP, keep pushing against the cager's insurance company. Whether you could've saved it or not, the car driver failed to yield.

Good choice on the gear, and glad you're OK.

And zippy is right--some people just don't pay attention. I've gotten SMIDSY'd on a clear day driving a white 10-ton delivery truck with the headlights on. ABS and modern brakes literally saved the passenger's life.

Hack 12-18-2012 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunghole (Post 20276579)
Some people just don't pay any fucking attention (as we all know).

As far as visibility, you could have been wearing a giant pink penis costume on the back of a chartreuse rhinoceros with blinking titties and I'm guessing the asshole still wouldn't have seen you.

Sorry to hear about your crash Knox. Glad it wasn't worse.

bunghole thanks for the new sig line :lol3

Brokein2 12-18-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunghole (Post 20276579)
Some people just don't pay any fucking attention (as we all know).

As far as visibility, you could have been wearing a giant pink penis costume on the back of a chartreuse rhinoceros with blinking titties and I'm guessing the asshole still wouldn't have seen you.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6818/rhino1x.jpg

Glad you are OK....

GSlite 12-18-2012 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunghole (Post 20276579)
As far as visibility, you could have been wearing a giant pink penis costume on the back of a chartreuse rhinoceros with blinking titties and I'm guessing the asshole still wouldn't have seen you.

Best. Sig line. Ever.

OP, glad to hear you weren’t hurt too badly.

tattoogunman 12-18-2012 04:52 PM

I'm getting back into motorcycling and pick up my bike this weekend. I've always worn protective gear, but since my last bike, there has been a lot of the high viz stuff hitting the market. That's what I'm getting for all my gear this time around. It never ceases to amaze me at the people that still wear black from head to toe. I see guys commuting to work with me in the morning (5 to 530 am). Once they pass me and get a few car lengths away, they just vanish. That single red light on the back isn't worth a whole lot.

My .025 cent


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