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shearboy2004 01-01-2013 01:28 AM

Intresting valve !!
 
88 R100GS , was running fine idle was a little tricky to get even !:lol3

Spent my New Year tearing it apart and found this valve was the worst of it , bores and pistons look great .

I haven't had this bike very long , when I got it it ran like crap so did the usual valve adjustment and tried tuning the carbs with limited success so I pulled the carbs and did the rebuild and clean on them , it ran much better but still that idle was off . I'm amazed it ran at all and very pleased I pulled it down when I did , that valve is so cracked it must fall apart very soon .


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...44852628_n.jpg

Donkey Hotey 01-01-2013 01:34 AM

Lemme' guess: about 65K miles? Yeah, I had one just like that:

http://www.cifumotorsports.com/mc/19...mages/bmw5.jpg

shearboy2004 01-01-2013 01:42 AM

Right on the money Mate 70,000 . Did you have to do the seats too ? I haven't pulled the valves yet so am wondering how bad the seats will be .

Donkey Hotey 01-01-2013 02:04 AM

I didn't bother to do the seats. I ordered stainless valves, used a little lapping compound and just hand lapped them to the existing seats. The contact faces weren't textbook perfect but, it still had a decent, continuous ring of contact. They worked fine for another 3K miles before the bike was wrecked. Idle and power were immediately normal after replacing those valves.

AntonLargiader 01-01-2013 06:04 AM

You'll need new guides, too. How much does the valve rock?

Blakebird 01-01-2013 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shearboy2004 (Post 20369231)
Right on the money Mate 70,000 .

Holy cow, Mark :huh

Glad you found that before something on the catastrophic side happened to that motor.....while on a road trip in frozen Kansas somewhere with a buddy who hates to push dead bikes :lol3

Lomax 01-01-2013 08:20 AM

So I am guessing that you got the exhaust off. :lol3

Good find, well at least you found it before it caused any real damage.

Marc

robtg 01-01-2013 09:33 AM

I would replace the exhaust seats as well. With a valve burned that bad, the seat may have gotten hot enough to relax the press fit and drop out.

Beater 01-01-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donkey Hotey (Post 20369258)
I didn't bother to do the seats. I ordered stainless valves, used a little lapping compound and just hand lapped them to the existing seats.. ...

How much 'better' are the stainless valves? I'm looking at rebuilding a set of heads I have on the shelf. Just curious ...

ME 109 01-01-2013 10:02 AM

It is possible for a valve like that to 'pull' the seat out.
Happened to me once.....got to a rally site, killed the motor for 30 seconds, started the bike again and out it came.

I figured that the motor stopped with the valve closed, and that the exhaust seat cooled enough to grab the 'step' on the valve.

shearboy2004 01-01-2013 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lomax (Post 20370508)
So I am guessing that you got the exhaust off. :lol3

Good find, well at least you found it before it caused any real damage.

Marc

Marc I tried with your tools but it was a no go , ended up slicing the collars with my dremel and then using a cold chisel to split them , they were frozen solid !

bmweuro 01-01-2013 10:11 AM

With 70K your intake can't look much better. Do both valves, guides and at least exhaust seats. ROBTG is one of the best cylinder head rebuilds out there.

Lomax 01-01-2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by shearboy2004 (Post 20371222)
Marc I tried with your tools but it was a no go , ended up slicing the collars with my dremel and then using a cold chisel to split them , they were frozen solid !

:cry:cry Sorry. But at least now you can put new collars on. I hope the threads ore OK.

Marc

supershaft 01-01-2013 12:18 PM

Wow! I thought only '81 to '84 valves did that! :lol3 No, not really since I am always pointing out that ALL the models do this sometimes.

Having done well over 100 airhead valve jobs myself, I totally agree with robtg and want to add another danger from what I have seen. If that cooked seat doesn't drop out, a new hard valve is likely to hammer the seat in and you end up with the same problem only different.

In my experience, the intake valves can last a long time. The intake seats can last forever.

This is a perfect example of why I always recommend doing a leak down if an idle issue persists. It's very often a leaking valve in my experience. Usually the intake but . . . . Just last year I leaked down my '92 and both exhaust were leaking at 101,000 miles. The valves' and seats' looked perfect but my exhaust guides were done. I didn't even measure the stems because I new I was going to 45* exhausts anyway. You really should do the same thing shearboy2004. Sticking with 30* valves doesn't work most of the time. It's hard to explain but trust me.

Donkey Hotey 01-01-2013 12:30 PM

I think too many of you guys are too eager to just start pulling valve guides and seats. The bike I had the problem with was also a 1988. I don't know about other years and problems but, I can tell you from my own experience inspecting those valves and seats that those 1988 valves were absolute crap. They managed to do all that damage with almost no evidence on the valve seat.

Yes, the seat had worn a little but--as I posted--lapping compound was all it took to reveal a decent-width sealing ring all the way around; not too wide, not too narrow.

Bottom line: if you're of the mind to rebuild the heads, go for it. Now is as good a time as any. If you're a little short on cash and don't want to drop a grand right now, you can always carefully inspect the seats and put some new valves in there. If it gets you another 10-20K miles, you might be at a place where you want to go through the whole engine anyway.


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