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kallehof 01-13-2013 10:55 PM

Wanted - Escape Route/Goler Wash/ Mengel Pass
 
I'm off to Death Valley on Thursday. And would like to ride from Trona -> Escape Route -> Goler Wash -> Mengel Pass ->Death Valley. I've found gps tracks for Goler Wash -> Mengel Pass and one of an Escape Route loop. Any pointers?

Kalle

dlh62c 01-14-2013 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kallehof (Post 20477811)
I'm off to Death Valley on Thursday. And would like to ride from Trona -> Escape Route -> Goler Wash -> Mengel Pass ->Death Valley. I've found gps tracks for Goler Wash -> Mengel Pass and one of an Escape Route loop. Any pointers?

Kalle

You might check here: http://www.gpsxchange.com/phpBB2/vie...b507a1082034f9

daryl

kallehof 01-14-2013 11:45 AM

I also found this post http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....36&postcount=2
Which has a bunch of DV gps tracks http://advrider.com/forums/attachmen...5&d=1137381064. But doesn't include the Escape Route.

http://www.kalle.com/images/misc/dv-gps-tracks.jpg

Countdown 01-15-2013 09:41 PM

I have tracks for every open road in and around Death Valley on GPSXchange.com

Better yet I will download tracks to your GPS if you come on one of the Death Valley rides on DualSportWest.com

kallehof 01-15-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Countdown (Post 20495985)
I have tracks for every open road in and around Death Valley on GPSXchange.com

Better yet I will download tracks to your GPS if you come on one of the Death Valley rides on DualSportWest.com

Thanks Jerry. I guess I suck. Didn't see a route that included Trona -> Goler. But just checked out http://DualSportWest.com. Maybe I'll see you at the Death Valley 350.

Kalle

wbbnm 01-16-2013 07:43 AM

So where exactly does this Escape Route go to and from. It sounds interesting. We had a few guys looking for one when we got to the downhill side of the ledge in Goler Wash a couple of years ago.

I will check Jerry's tracks for something by that name.

Countdown 01-16-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wbbnm (Post 20498698)
So where exactly does this Escape Route go to and from. It sounds interesting. We had a few guys looking for one when we got to the downhill side of the ledge in Goler Wash a couple of years ago. I will check Jerry's tracks for something by that name.

The escape route was used in the winter of 1849-1850 by to men, Manly & Rodgers. As in Manly Pass and Rodgers Dry Lake now Edwards AFB. Lots of information at visitors center in Death Valley.

To find out more, read Manly's book Escape From Death Valley or one by Johnson & Johnson. There is another small book titled Julia. Turns out Julia was born just after they escaped and was being carried by her mother thru all this.

The route goes from Bennet's long camp up to Stripped Butte Valley and probably down Redlands canyon then across Panamint Valley then up Fish Cyn (see marker for where Fish's body was found) over Manly pass, and down Isham Cyn where Isham's body was found. Then across China Lake NAS to Indian Wells (now micro brewery) then down thru Red Rock Cyn to Desert Spring just east of Jawbone Station then to Solodad Canyon to Santa Clarita.

Many years ago the Death Valley 49ers marked several miles with short re-bar posts with "ET" on top. There are a couple on the road in Panamint Valley and some at Manly Pass.

Manly & Rodgers did it alone on foot, then returned to rescue the families and guided them to LA. When the party went over the Panamints, Manly was said to have llked back and said "Good by Death Valley" or " Good by Valley of Death" and the name stuck.

Countdown 01-16-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kallehof (Post 20496107)
Thanks Jerry. I guess I suck. Didn't see a route that included Trona -> Goler. But just checked out http://DualSportWest.com. Maybe I'll see you at the Death Valley 350. Kalle

Kalle,

Everything you ask is in "Death Valley Tracks" file. You are looking in Private Libraries?

Jerry

wbbnm 01-17-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Countdown (Post 20499419)
Kalle,

Everything you ask is in "Death Valley Tracks" file. You are looking in Private Libraries?

Jerry

Jerry,

I think your DeathValley.gdb file in GPSXchange is corrupt. I have tried downloading it 3 times on 2 different computers. Both Mapsource and BaseCamp say it is not a valid gpd file.

You might want to take a look at it when you get a chance.

Countdown 01-18-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wbbnm (Post 20511177)
Jerry,

I think your DeathValley.gdb file in GPSXchange is corrupt. I have tried downloading it 3 times on 2 different computers. Both Mapsource and BaseCamp say it is not a valid gpd file.

You might want to take a look at it when you get a chance.

Crazy problem, several people have said that but I can download it fine. I re-load the gdb and also added gpx. I thought the gpx was too large but it went. Please test both and let me know.

wbbnm 01-19-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Countdown (Post 20518663)
Crazy problem, several people have said that but I can download it fine. I re-load the gdb and also added gpx. I thought the gpx was too large but it went. Please test both and let me know.


I was able to load the gpx but not the gdb. I got the same error about it not being a valid Mapsource file. Must be some strange gremlin in there.

I tried saving the gpx as a gdb and I was able to read back the gdb I created.

Thanks for looking into this so quick and posting a good workaround.

Countdown 01-19-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wbbnm (Post 20527233)
I was able to load the gpx but not the gdb. I got the same error about it not being a valid Mapsource file. Must be some strange gremlin in there..

Very strange why I can open it.

What version of MapSource? I am sure you have at least 3.13

Anyway can you see motorized routes along "Escape Trail"?

wbbnm 01-20-2013 08:26 AM

I have Mapsource 6.16.1 on one computer and I think one rev newer on my Notebook.

I went back and looked at your description of the route. I had to do some searching. I found a place called Bennet's Well and I found Redland's Canyon. My National Parks 24k topos show a road most of the way thru Redlands Canyon but only to a spring and not on out to Panamint.

I only have Topos West for outside the Park, but I will look for some of your other key points later.

Countdown 01-20-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wbbnm (Post 20532904)
I have Mapsource 6.16.1 on one computer and I think one rev newer on my Notebook.

I went back and looked at your description of the route. I found a place called Bennet's Well and I found Redland's Canyon. My National Parks 24k topos show a road most of the way thru Redlands Canyon but only to a spring and not on out to Panamint..

6.16 may be problem. Many of us never went past 6.13 because of problems.

Escape route was walked, it is not open to vehicles except in very few places. There are roads to kind of basically follow it. Warm springs cyn, Mengle Pass, Gohler cyn, around south end of Panamint damp lake, up Fish or single track to Manly pass. There is jeep road down Ishm but it has big water falls that are not fun on bike, P190 jeep road to south is what to take. I have been down on bike but not possible up. No one knows exactly where they crossed are Argus range to Indian Wells but it is now China Lake Navel Weapons Station and closed anyway.

Redlands had big dry ter fall that only a one eyed mule got up and down. Horses they brought back could not get up it and were dead when they retured. They plushed oxen over it and none broke legs. children were carried in saddle bags on the oxen.

Now the Briggs mine has taken all of Redlands cyn.


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