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Harsany 01-21-2013 04:10 PM

Buy an 07 KTM 525 EXC w/ 300 hours??
 
Long time lurker, first time poster. I used to ride an XR250 back in the early '90s, and this site has been great for helping me decide to get back on a bike. I'm about to pull the trigger on an 07 525exc and wanted some opinions on it. The bike has nearly 300 hours on it but has had the following items replaced recently: Piston / Valves / Seats (done by reputable KTM dealer), plastics, clutch, sprockets, chain and battery. Some upgrades include Clark 3.1 gallon tank, FMF exhaust, and soft seat. I am a little leary of buying this bike because of it's higher hours, but it seems like the RFS engines are pretty bulletproof with the right maintanence (seller claims oil changes every 4-6 hours). I believe I can get this bike for $3500-3600, which seems to be about what I can get an 04-05 with ~100 hours. The '07 is very appealing here in Oregon because we can't plate the older bikes for DS use. What should I look out for on this bike? Thanks!

Honkey Cat 01-21-2013 04:14 PM

525exc.
 
I had an 07 just sold last year with 46 hrs on it, scotts damper, plus all kinds of farkles on it with a rekluse clutch ( awesome ) and I sold it for $5K. It would depend if he had receipts and records. I would do a leak down test and compression test. Or at least bring it to a dealer and have them check it out if you are not confident in your abilities.
Just my worthless cents.

Shooter1 01-21-2013 05:36 PM

525
 
How many miles does the 300 hrs equate to, was it alot of street, back roads gravel, or all trail and/or actual racing. I'd want to see the receipts for the top end work and maybe talk to the dealer that did the work. I've owned three EXC450's and currently have an '07 with 94 hours and 2678 miles. They have all been solid. I know a guy that recently sold an '07 525 that had over 14,000 miles on it and a fair amout of them were pretty hard riding with sport bike guys on the street. The motor had never been touched with the exception of regular maintenance, (and I'm not certain how much of that it actually got). I can't help but think that bike probably needed a head job and at least a re-ring and piston but you couldn't tell it by the way it ran. The motor was quiet and didnt smoke either. The countershaft leaked a little bit but that was it.

Good luck.

B.Curvin 01-21-2013 05:45 PM

1.5 years ago I bought an 05 525 for 3,800. BUT, it had the factory dirt suspenders revalved and resprung. 04 450SMR forks, wheels and a Penske triple clicker. Two tanks, two seats, the stock carb and an MX offroad carb and it only had 150 hours. For the bike you're looking at I wouldn't pay more than 2,500.


For reference.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...o/IMG_1623.jpg

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It'sNotTheBike 01-21-2013 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B.Curvin (Post 20544637)
For the bike you're looking at I wouldn't pay more than 2,500.



Opinions from self-styled "experts" like the statement above are one of the
main reasons why I will never advertise a bike for sale on ADVrider. The last three
bikes I sold were sold on Craigslist and no one even tried to feed me
any baloney about what some ADVrider "expert" said the bike was worth, but if they
had they would have been told to leave the premises immediately. The bikes
were sold for fair market value, which any buyer or seller with a brain can determine
without consulting a self-styled forum "expert". All you need to do is look at
the asking prices for all the bikes sold recently, and Google will work just fine for that.


The simple truth is, the opinion of someone who is not directly involved
in a sale is 100% irrelevant. It comes down to what the seller is willing to
accept and what the buyer is willing to part with and all the rest is just
talk.



.

It'sNotTheBike 01-21-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harsany (Post 20543841)
The '07 is very appealing here in Oregon because we can't plate the older bikes for DS use.



You are wise to consider only the 2007 RFS engine bikes.

It won't be long before the feds clamp down on bikes in all 50 states and bikes
which have managed to be registered in the past will soon be prohibited from
being registered any more. At that point the value of those bikes will drop
significantly for anyone who wants to be able to ride them legally on the street.


The miles and hours matter less than the condition of the bike. I suggest you find
the best KTM mechanic who is close enough to the bike you are considering buying
and pay their shop rate for a comprehensive pre-purchase inspection. A leak down
test and a careful check of all the major systems would give you a good idea
of whether the bike needs major work soon. If you lack knowledge of the RFS
engines you might miss things someone who is familiar will not miss, so it is money
well spent to pay an expert to look over the bike.


Regarding what the bike is worth, a 2007 RFS EXC is a sought after bike on the west
coast especially because the west coast is where the feds first began to crack down
on bikes which were not street legal from the factory. So comparable bikes
are NOT RFS bikes which were made in earlier model years but _only_ RFS bikes which
are also 2007s. What an earlier bike which is NOT factory street legal sold for
is utterly meaningless in the west coast market if you only want a truly street legal
dual sport bike.


The RSF engine EXC is one of the best dual sport / enduro bikes in the world. Whether
you buy this one or another one it's a great choice.

Good luck with your search.


.

crazybrit 01-21-2013 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harsany (Post 20543841)
The bike has nearly 300 hours on it but has had the following items replaced recently: Piston / Valves / Seats (done by reputable KTM dealer), plastics, clutch, sprockets, chain and battery. Some upgrades include Clark 3.1 gallon tank, FMF exhaust, and soft seat. I am a little leary of buying this bike because of it's higher hours, but it seems like the RFS engines are pretty bulletproof with the right maintanence (seller claims oil changes every 4-6 hours). I believe I can get this bike for $3500-3600, which seems to be about what I can get an 04-05 with ~100 hours. The '07 is very appealing here in Oregon because we can't plate the older bikes for DS use. What should I look out for on this bike? Thanks!

I paid $3000 for my 07 with 40 hours two and a half years ago. It was a very good deal. I had a plated 05 at the time and traded that for another bike (I figured it was a ~$4000 trade).At the time (sept 2010) low hours 07's were selling for about $5000 (get on gas price) to $5400. This was all in Oregon.

My personal opinion would be that, here in Oregon, now, you could get a 07 with a lot less hours for around $4000-4200.

When you say that the valves were replaced by a KTM dealer, this to me says that stock valves were used. Stainless KW would have been a better choice.

Also, I'm not sure on the current OR plating rules but you can definitely plate an 05/06 in WA and you can bring one of these into Oregon. This is the route I went with my 05, it came with just a plate and a rear brake switch. I installed the KTM Euro harness and all the other parts to make it 100% street legal. I doubt there will be a federal crackdown on existing titles, new is a different matter.

As someone said in response to the $2500 figure, a bike is worth what it will sell for. I have no doubt the above bike will sell for $3500 to someone. This doesn't mean it's a good deal for you, just for this other person. As I said, I'm pretty sure with some patience you can do better, especially in terms of the number of hours and maybe also in terms of accessories. The KTM exhaust is pretty good, easy mod to remove the restrictor, the FMF isn't anything I'd want. An aftermarket header, well that would be different.

crazybrit 01-21-2013 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by It'sNotTheBike (Post 20544962)
Regarding what the bike is worth, a 2007 RFS EXC is a sought after bike on the west
coast especially because the west coast is where the feds first began to crack down
on bikes which were not street legal from the factory.

No, this is where the state of California began to crackdown. Meanwhile on the West coast the state of Washington tried to crack down (on plated 2-strokes, you could still plate a pre 07 KTM 4-stroke), it backfired and ended up the exact opposite where now you can plate subject to: http://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistr...torcycles.html

As far as I know the rules in oregon havn't changed. It depends on how the dealer originally applied for the title when they relinquished the MSO.

Harsany 01-21-2013 07:51 PM

Thanks for the replys. To answer some questions... The bike has ~6000 miles on it. I'm guessing that the new valves were stock KTM. The seller is the original owner.

The 04-05 bikes (~100 hrs) mentioned earlier were on CL for $3800-3900 and were gone in only a couple days (they were plated in Oregon.).

I considered buying an out of state plated bike but Oregon has started cracking down on those recently :cry

crazybrit 01-21-2013 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harsany (Post 20545692)
I considered buying an out of state plated bike but Oregon has started cracking down on those recently :cry

Is this first hand experience? I ask because there is a ton of hearsay on this topic.

I sold my 2006 300 XC-W 2-stroke last September. It had an OR plate (originally from WA) that I applied for at the DMV. It was coming up for renewal. I'd heard nothing from the state prior to sale. The new buyer (Oregon resident) had no issues transferring the title and still has the plate.

There were issues a few years ago over plated XR650s. At that time I personally called the state and worked my way upto the head compliance officer at the DMV who told me that I couldn't plate my own but they would honor a plated bike from out of state.

Maybe something has changed recently but I'd make sure you're operating on solid information.

Quote:

The bike has ~6000 miles on it. I'm guessing that the new valves were stock KTM. The seller is the original owner.
6000 miles, 300 hours, 20mph. The lower the mph, the higher the percentage of single track. The stock KTM valves wear. I'm about due for replacement on my 07 (240 hours). If I replace with KTM ones, i'll probably be doing it again in another 2x0 hours. If I use KW stainless, I probably won't ever need to replace them for a very long time. Something to keep in mind.

Good deals are out there, you just need patience. Below $4000 prices tend to collapse into each other, so you'll get good deals on 07s and poor deals on 04s all within a few hundred dollars of each other.

You also need to be able to move fast for a good deal. Like take 1/2 day off work at zero notice, go to bank, arrive with cash. If you can't do that, try posting a Wanted ad in the Pac NW Flea Market thread (and if you're willing to drive, the main Flea Market). Inmates here are pretty honest folks in my experience. I think you can do better.

Off the grid 01-21-2013 08:23 PM

6000 miles is a drop in the bucket for that engine. 2 buddies have 02 520s with 28k and 17k miles with no issues.

I think the price is too high, though.

Harsany 01-21-2013 09:21 PM

Thanks for the help guys. I was pretty sure I would get this bike, but maybe I should wait and look fror a better deal.

Crazybrit - re: bringing a WA plated bike to oregn - there was a thread here in the last couple weeks where someone had a plate revoked on an 05 exc he tried to bring over from WA. He said that Oregon recently started scrutinizing WA plated bikes more because of the the new law making it possible to plate dirt bikes in WA. I believe bikes already plated in Oregon will not have this issue.

Overall, my thinking on this bike is that 1.) It is street legal from the factory - no worries about keeping the plate. 2.) most of the wear items have been recently replaced so I should *in theory* be good for another 200 hours before it needs any major work (is this correct??). 3.) Price seems to be in line with other bikes I have seen recently for sale (I have only been looking at KTMs for 6 weeks or so - my friend talked me out of considering DRZ400s :D).

Off the grid 01-21-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harsany (Post 20546213)
Thanks for the help guys. I was pretty sure I would get this bike, but maybe I should wait and look fror a better deal.

Crazybrit - re: bringing a WA plated bike to oregn - there was a thread here in the last couple weeks where someone had a plate revoked on an 05 exc he tried to bring over from WA. He said that Oregon recently started scrutinizing WA plated bikes more because of the the new law making it possible to plate dirt bikes in WA. I believe bikes already plated in Oregon will not have this issue.

Overall, my thinking on this bike is that 1.) It is street legal from the factory - no worries about keeping the plate. 2.) most of the wear items have been recently replaced so I should *in theory* be good for another 200 hours before it needs any major work (is this correct??). 3.) Price seems to be in line with other bikes I have seen recently for sale (I have only been looking at KTMs for 6 weeks or so - my friend talked me out of considering DRZ400s :D).

The hours don't faze me at all....the price does. That bike should be around 3k MAX.

crazybrit 01-21-2013 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harsany (Post 20546213)

Crazybrit - re: bringing a WA plated bike to oregn - there was a thread here in the last couple weeks where someone had a plate revoked on an 05 exc he tried to bring over from WA. He said that Oregon recently started scrutinizing WA plated bikes more because of the the new law making it possible to plate dirt bikes in WA. I believe bikes already plated in Oregon will not have this issue.

link?

Quote:

I have only been looking at KTMs for 6 weeks or so
Good things come to those who wait. You'll find more selection in April/May. I know people claim that prices are lower in Winter. I'm not sure this is true, just the supply is lower.

I agree with Off The Grid. Hours are fine but has to be priced accordingly.

B.Curvin 01-22-2013 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by It'sNotTheBike (Post 20544816)
Opinions from self-styled "experts" like the statement above are one of the
main reasons why I will never advertise a bike for sale on ADVrider.


You sound a bit touchy. I'm no expert, I've just owned, bought, sold and traded a shed load of bikes and I know what I would or would not pay. :wink:


Edit: I guess this "self styled expert" was pretty close even though I pulled that number out of my backside. :wave


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