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53dodgekustom 02-18-2013 06:33 PM

A few predicaments with a R60/5.
 
Hi folks. I have a 71 R60/5 with some issues, I am hoping you guys can help!

The bike in question, with it's usual puddle of trans fluid and some engine oil underneath it.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psead1fdbf.jpg

It's current state.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps90762758.jpg

First off is the engine. It seems to have a lot of crankcase pressure. It leaks everywhere. I've also noticed that the oil pressure dummy light instantly goes off when the kick starter is depressed trying to kick start the bike. (Even when the engine doesn't fire.) Is this normal? Or do I have high oil pressure?

As of right now I have the clutch out for a rear main seal and new oil pump o-ring (again). Is there anyway to check the oil pump to see what kind of pressure it's putting out?Is there anyway to adjust it?

Rear main seal area and oil pump after some major cleanup.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps3539e0f7.jpg

I'm also doing the conversion to the new style reed valve breather and a new hose to try and control the oil. I've also heard that I should only be filling the oil up to halfway in between the min and max on the dipstick.

Pulled the old breather out.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps399f1cb0.jpg

The engine is in top condition. New rings, ball hone, valves and guides as of six thousand miles ago. No smoke and 130 PSI in both cylinders.

Second up is the Transmission. A couple years back the kicker pin fell into the transmission. I sent it to a local airhead guy who took the back cover off and fixed the kicker. Kickstarter and trans work great now. But the back cover now leaks oil.

How hard is it to just take the cover off and regasket?? Do I need a special tool to pull the driveshaft flange on the back?

The trans.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps21c950da.jpg

Lastly, is the rear drive. It seems that it leaks out of the weep hole. Does that mean that the inside seal is leaking? I'm assuming that is a hell of a job to replace? The brake area seems to be dry.

I think it weeps out of the top weep hole. Hard to tell though.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps705e1bca.jpg

Any suggestions would be great. Thanks guys!

disston 02-18-2013 07:03 PM

The trans shims should be checked if you take the rear cover off. You need a special puller to get the out put flange off.

http://imageshack.us/a/img837/6456/flangepuller.jpg

That tool is about $80 I think and the tools to do the shims are more. Any chance it can go to the guy that fixed it two years ago? Are you sure it's the gasket?

The oil pressure is regulated by a valve on the front main bearing holder. This is under the timing cover and can be seen here;

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9...esprockets.jpg

The horizontal rod shaped piece above the timing chain controls the oil pressure. You can't read the oil pressure till the engine is running and since you don't currently have this part apart why don't you wait till some of this other stuff is done till you take it apart. Besides you are already doing the engine breather and maybe that will fix it?

No idea about final drive.

Tin Woodman 02-18-2013 08:44 PM

you might want to compare notes with one of your neighbors in your area -

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608166

53dodgekustom 02-19-2013 03:03 AM

I've had several bad excperinces with the guy I took the trans to. Very flaky and just not a good business man. Wish that wasn't the case but it just is. I'm sure it's the gasket.

Since the oil pressure is done from the front I'm thinking I'll put it back together and then try and take a reading with a gauge.

53dodgekustom 02-19-2013 04:52 PM

Whelp I ordered a new rear seal, O-ring and clutch assembly today from BMW. $$$ Gonna order some more pieces and tools tomorrow.

bpeckm 02-20-2013 02:29 PM

I would personally stake a lot on the new breather... you may find that that takes care of your "oil pressure" problem....

The other thing to check is that the oil filter is in its place correctly. There is an oil pressure relief valve (ball/spring check valve) at the back of the oil filter chamber. Anton has something to say about that on his website. ....see bottom of page for oil pressure relief system.

Good luck, nice bike!

:evil


PS i would love to hear what those pipes sound like!

53dodgekustom 02-21-2013 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpeckm (Post 20771737)
I would personally stake a lot on the new breather... you may find that that takes care of your "oil pressure" problem....

The other thing to check is that the oil filter is in its place correctly. There is an oil pressure relief valve (ball/spring check valve) at the back of the oil filter chamber. Anton has something to say about that on his website. ....see bottom of page for oil pressure relief system.

Good luck, nice bike!

:evil


PS i would love to hear what those pipes sound like!

Yea, I plan on putting the breather in and putting it back together and checking the pressure with a gauge somehow.

Thanks for the link! That is helpful.

The pipes are quite loud but I get a lot of compliments on them.

53dodgekustom 03-06-2013 04:50 PM

So how far should I insert the new rear seal?

disston 03-06-2013 04:59 PM

This is not going to be as easy as you thought. The answer is hopefully in another thread, that part is not so hard, but it's pretty long. Start with post #91 on page #7 and after you read this ask again, if you must. :freaky

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...=860694&page=9

Read it all the way to the end of the thread.

53dodgekustom 03-06-2013 05:18 PM

Thanks. I think I will install it a few mm proud and call it a day.

bmwhacker 03-06-2013 07:22 PM

Durn that's purty! :eek1 Even with a few leaks. I'm gonna have me an R60 some day....minus the actual "top box".
How do them there "Brit" look'in pipes sound with a "Kraut" speaking through them?
Regardless of how they sound, I like the looks of them.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psead1fdbf.jpg

53dodgekustom 05-04-2013 04:43 PM

Well I've made some progress.

Found some sweet Wixom bags for it.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps2c2dc101.jpg

Got the clutch in and took both cylinders apart and fixed leaks. Also replaced the oil pan gasket and got my new breather in. Started it up with no trans on the back and it doesn't seem to leak anywhere yet!!!

Took the trans apart. The surface had a pretty good gouge in it where it was leaking,

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psf698226a.jpg

Bought me a set of the Epco /5 mufflers. They look pretty nice. Especially considering the price. I'm keeping the old pipes, I'm sure I will find a project that call for them someday.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps2799735c.jpg

Decided to do a quick spray job on the frame.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps21c6fba0.jpg

Did some painting today. Hopefully will be together next weekend! I might have some DeLorto carb questions for you guys soon.

Thanks for watching.

Bill Harris 05-05-2013 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 53dodgekustom (Post 21333608)
...Hopefully will be together next weekend! I might have some DeLorto carb questions for you guys soon.

Thanks for watching.

Why do the heads have big diameter adapter rings on the R60 intake stubs? You aren't running 40mm Dellortos on it?

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps3539e0f7.jpg

:huh:eek1

--Bill

53dodgekustom 05-06-2013 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Harris (Post 21336406)
Why do the heads have big diameter adapter rings on the R60 intake stubs? You aren't running 40mm Dellortos on it?

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps3539e0f7.jpg

:huh:eek1

--Bill

Nope! I don't think that would run to well! I have 30mm Dellortos on it. It's runs quite well. Way more responsive and more power than the 26mm Bings had. If you use full throttle at low RPM it bogs a little but besides that they are just about perfect! Guzzles a bit more fuel though too.

53dodgekustom 05-22-2013 06:38 PM

Some progress,

On it's way back together. Installed new intake tubes from a R75. They fit my carbs much better than the R60 ones that I had to hack up.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps0020d96a.jpg

All together finally!

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps7a5ac320.jpg

Rode a couple hundred miles with my dad last weekend. No leaks yet.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps4bb4fcb1.jpg

Put the bags on but I found out I have brackets for a LWB model.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psbe9d2999.jpg

So my next question is can I make these brackets work? It looks like all I have to do is modify the bottom leg a little bit by cutting it a little shorter and drilling a new hole. I'm not sure if the bags are in the correct location though.

My mounts: (LWB mounts on a SWB bike)

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps36b269f5.jpg

LWB mounts on a LWB bike:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps02f9f8ee.jpg

SWB mounts on a SWB bike:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps3608219b.jpg

To me it looks like the actual bag mount in the same spot on both wheelbases. The shocks on the LWB are moved back for the longer swingarm but the front bagmount bolt looks to be in the same spot on the front of the subframe. Am I thinking right???

Should be easy to modify this to work.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps74efbcc6.jpg

Tell me what you think! Thanks.


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