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JOKER650 03-25-2013 10:16 PM

MOTOZ and the SE
 
Spring is here and it's time to retire:D
.....and an oil change.

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SO I thought I would try out the MOTOZ TRACTIONATOR DESERT.:clap
My locaL KTM/HONDA/BERG/CAN-AM dealer has some prety good prices....$115
It's got "SCOOPS" :lol3...and it's pat-pending:1drink
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It took 60psi to seat the bead:eek1
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Mmmm...that feels BETTAaah
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Not sure if this shows it verry well...but it has a huge rim saver.(if that's what ya call it)
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Decided to try the matching front.

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The front also has a different PATENT PENDING tread design:wink:

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If these tires work and last any where near what the previuos MOTOZ on the rear did...this will be my NEW tire of choice :freaky

YUPP......that's 3/4 inch of rubber on a street legal DOT tire for $115 :deal
Go measure that new tire you just installed:1drink
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Rodknee 03-26-2013 03:04 AM

anxiously awaiting a ride report... :ear

biggus 03-26-2013 03:08 AM

I have the same tires on my 06 950S.


I am finishing up a 1 month, 2,000 mile plus ride in Laos riding the Ho Chi Minh Trail. Plenty of hard pack, sand, bull dust, rocks and mud with a few asphalt stretches of 100k or so in between. Ran the front at 18psi and rear at 15 psi. All I can say is great tires and wish I had them before I dented the rims from running those soft walled TKC 80s.

Will be finishing off the trip with about 1,000k of tarmac so will see how they look after that but the look great now. Wear excellent and no chuncking. A very very happy customer.

hooliken 03-26-2013 05:45 AM

You running stock size rear 140/80-18?

biggus 03-26-2013 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hooliken (Post 21036496)
You running stock size rear 140/80-18?

4.25" and a 140/80/18...

hooliken 03-26-2013 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggus (Post 21036590)
4.25" and a 140/80/18...


How big of a PITA was it to change?

traveltoad 03-26-2013 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKER650 (Post 21035354)
Spring is here and it's time to retire:D


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Hold on... the tire on the left is "worn out"?

ABuck99 03-26-2013 08:38 AM

If you cant get that bead to seat at max of 40psi- deflate , & spray-or add some soap solution to the entire bead of the tire, (murphy's oil soap works great and is non-corrosive) and try again. Its not necessary to use 60psi or more to seat the bead, and it could cause you some safety issues- like exploding the tire:eek1, and we dont want to see an inmate taking himself out with a tire explosion- Save the injuries for riding related mis-haps:lol3.

Note to LC8 ADV Owners: the SE has a 2.5" rim width which makes fitment of any 140/80-18 including the Motoz with in spec. Mounting a 140/80-18 on the 950/990ADV 4.25" rim width is very much out of spec.

I know there are some inmates that do this regularly, but keep in mind the sidewall profile of the MotoZ 140 mounted on the 4.25" wide ADV rim is stretched over 1.25" beyond engineered safe limit. Load and sidewall strength is compromised. The tire profile becomes quite square- (flat sidewall- flat tread contact) instead of a curved radius which affects on-road handling and off-road hook up. Yes its being done, but it doesn't make it particularly safe. I support anyone's choice to do as they wish, my comments are intended only to inform others that its "non-standard" and to do so at their own risk. I'm stepping off my soap box now.....:gerg

Johnf3 03-26-2013 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABuck99 (Post 21037645)
If you cant get that bead to seat at max of 40psi- deflate , & spray-or add some soap solution to the entire bead of the tire, (murphy's oil soap works great and is non-corrosive) and try again. Its not necessary to use 60psi or more to seat the bead, and it could cause you some safety issues- like exploding the tire:eek1, and we dont want to see an inmate taking himself out with a tire explosion- Save the injuries for riding related mis-haps:lol3.

Note to LC8 ADV Owners: the SE has a 2.5" rim width which makes fitment of any 140/80-18 including the Motoz with in spec. Mounting a 140/80-18 on the 950/990ADV 4.25" rim width is very much out of spec.

I know there are some inmates that do this regularly, but keep in mind the sidewall profile of the MotoZ 140 mounted on the 4.25" wide ADV rim is stretched over 1.25" beyond engineered safe limit. Load and sidewall strength is compromised. The tire profile becomes quite square- (flat sidewall- flat tread contact) instead of a curved radius which affects on-road handling and off-road hook up. Yes its being done, but it doesn't make it particularly safe. I support anyone's choice to do as they wish, my comments are intended only to inform others that its "non-standard" and to do so at their own risk. I'm stepping off my soap box now.....:gerg

KTM from the factory specs the Dunlop 908 stock on the Baja Adventure with a 4.25 inch rim. Ya figure they might know a little bit about product liability? One company's tire measurement is not the same as another. Motoz specs this tire on rims up to 3.5 inches. You can look at many pictures of these tires mounted up on stock Adventure rims. They are not "quite square". They may not be perfect but they are not dangerous. Many of us have run these tires many years and tens of thousands of miles. 60 psi won't cause a tire to explode while getting it on the bead either.

Are you sure you ride a motorcycle? They are dangerous you know.:eek1 Just making sure you are aware.:D

FakeName 03-26-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnf3 (Post 21038401)
Are you sure you ride a motorcycle? They are dangerous you know.:eek1 Just making sure you are aware.:D

I think he makes a legitimate point. People may be doing it (I do) but that does not mean it's technically correct, and I appreciate the observation. And, simply because the KTM chose to use the Dunlop does not mean automatically the Motoz WILL work. As you pointed out yourself, different tires have different profiles.

I've emailed Motoz directly and asked specifically about this application, and will let theis thread know their response, if any.

Worth pointing out though- this is a direct quote from their website:

It's had an overhaul since 2007 and is now 1kg ligher, making it an excellent tyre for adventure bikes and big bore enduro bikes with a 2.5 inch rim used in off road applications.

Johnf3 03-26-2013 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FakeName (Post 21038993)
I think he makes a legitimate point. People may be doing it (I do) but that does not mean it's technically correct, and I appreciate the observation. And, simply because the KTM chose to use the Dunlop does not mean automatically the Motoz WILL work. As you pointed out yourself, different tires have different profiles.

I've emailed Motoz directly and asked specifically about this application, and will let theis thread know their response, if any.

Worth pointing out though- this is a direct quote from their website:

It's had an overhaul since 2007 and is now 1kg ligher, making it an excellent tyre for adventure bikes and big bore enduro bikes with a 2.5 inch rim used in off road applications.

Sure it is a legit point. My point is too. Empirical evidence has shown that mounting these tires on a 4.25 inch rim will not specifically cause them to fail.

Also, if you look under "Tyre Selection" on the Motoz website is shows a diagram of the 140 Tractionator on a 3.5 inch rim.

ABuck99 03-26-2013 01:56 PM

[QUOTE=Johnf3;21038401]KTM from the factory specs the Dunlop 908 stock on the Baja Adventure with a 4.25 inch rim. Ya figure they might know a little bit about product liability? One company's tire measurement is not the same as another. Motoz specs this tire on rims up to 3.5 inches. You can look at many pictures of these tires mounted up on stock Adventure rims. They are not "quite square". They may not be perfect but they are not dangerous. Many of us have run these tires many years and tens of thousands of miles. 60 psi won't cause a tire to explode while getting it on the bead either.

Are you sure you ride a motorcycle? They are dangerous you know.:eek1 Just making sure you are aware.:D[/QUOTE

Nope, I actually I dont ride a motorcycle, I just hang out in the virtual world of motorcycles and post booshit on threads with out researching facts or thinking at all of who might be looking in. The point is dispelling opinions vs. facts. Some people read posts with broad/generalized opinions like "Many of us have run these tires many years and tens of thousands of miles" or "60 psi won't cause a tire to explode while getting it on the bead either" and figure that its fine to do it and they misinterpret opinion as fact.

Yes I ride (a garage full of bikes), pushing the limits at times like most of us do, and I sell and install lots of tires, MotoZ included. If I were to mount a 140/80-18 on the 4.25 ADV rim, and there was a failure or crash- it would likely come back to me, I would or could be liable, or at least named along with everyone else. So Im a little more sensitive to the liability side of the issue, and why I posted the reply to put the facts into consideration. As soon as the manufacturer puts it in print Im on board. I think I was clear that I support making your own choices- Im not telling anyone not to do it, just that its not legitimately safe to do it. And unfortunately there is no deductible for empirical evidence, it will not protect me from liability.

I am aware of KTM putting the 908RR on the 2013 Baja. I was surprised at that choice vs the factory approved tire- 150/70 TKC80. Since that 990 model is a carry over fluffed & buffed for 2013 and only for the North American market, I question if KTM HQ in Austria and their legal department are fully aware of that KTM US is installing under rated tires on the 990 Baja. I'm not sure that these 990 Baja's are coming from Austria with the tires already mounted- (that is a fact we can research). There is no printed information that I have found that states the 908RR is recommended to be mounted on a 4.25 " rim. Currently the 908RR is spec'd for up to a 3.5" rim. Wondering about this weeks ago, I called Dunlop to ask about putting these on a 4.25" rim and the CSR I spoke told me that they could not recommend it. CSR said 4.0 rim width was possible but they still would not endorse or recommend it. I called KTM USA, and asked the same questions, and the CSR I spoke to had virtually no idea about the tire spec, or its limitations. On the KTM website, the 908 is not even spec'd as a factory approved tire. So maybe we're missing some information like Dunlop has made a special tire just for KTM (which they have not), or KTM is putting a 2.5" SE wheel on that bike(which they currently are not). Otherwise they are potentially opening themselves up to liability in the event of a crash claim.

Here are some links to factual data:
KTM Approved Tire List http://www.ktm.com/uploads/tx_downlo...07-2012_gh.pdf

Dunlop 908 Specs:
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire...nture/d908-rr/

dogsslober 03-26-2013 02:18 PM

Moto z on a SE
 
Man this thread took a wrong turn:eek1 fantastic tire tho

traveltoad 03-26-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogsslober (Post 21040266)
Man this thread took a wrong turn:eek1 fantastic tire tho

Have you tried one on your SE?

Any feedback how "bad" they are on tarmac?

dogsslober 03-26-2013 02:28 PM

Yes
 
I will not buy another 908 ever! Love the motoz.good as any other knobby on pavement


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