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ChildlikeWonder 05-03-2013 09:53 PM

How important is it that boots be motorcycle boots?
 
I have hard to fit feet (size 13 wide with an accessory navicular). I simply cannot find a pair of motorcycle boots that fits me, largely because in addition to needing wide, I need a flat arch. How important is it to safety that the boots be motorcycle boots? Wolverine 1000 Mile Boots fit me. Would those be safe?

Warin 05-03-2013 10:01 PM

There are people making custom motorcycle boots ...

Boots designed for motorcycle riding SHOULD be safer in a motorcycle crash ... your call on the boots that fit you.

ChildlikeWonder 05-03-2013 10:10 PM

Can you list any names of custom motorcycle boot makers in the US? All I can seem to find are overseas.

kamikazekyle 05-03-2013 11:47 PM

Tag because I'm interested as well (custom made boots, that is). Aerostich's boots are made in the US I think, but don't offer any more protection than your standard work boot. Fox Creek Leather has several boot lines but again, they don't offer the protection of a full-on moto boot. They're more like really good work boots with some fashion sense. And I think they're just a reseller for boots and their custom work is all in their jacket lines (really nice jackets, though).

Really, for an every-day type boot, there's only two key things (in my opinion) that separate a motorcycle boot from a standard work boot. Firstly is the use of buckles or velcro to keep laces from snagging on the bike. You can pretty much advert this by tucking in your laces. Secondly, reinforced or armored ankles. They take the "over the ankle" requirement a bit further by adding plastic armoring or the like. Personally speaking every time I've crashed with a foot/ankle injury it was due to torsion of the ankle, which only some racing and MX boots would have helped (ie: I didn't have any boot damage).

Dedicated moto boots do go beyond the basics and offer more protection -- toe sliders, armored shins/toes/heels, replaceable soles, torsion/twist prevention, shifter pads, thicker leather, etc. But for general purpose riding a stout work boot that goes over the ankle will provide the majority of the protection you'd need. Are they as good as a dedicated moto boot? No, but on the other hand they're far better than tennis shoes. And, usually, the more protection a moto boot offers the less usable it'll be off the bike. For the same reasons you didn't see knights walking down a street in full plate doing grocery shopping. So there's also the "how much protection do I want before it interferes with daily activities" tradeoff you have to consider.

Looking at the Wolverine 1000 Mile boot line, they should fufill the basics if you stick to one of their taller versions with full leather. There's no specs for things like leather thickness, but it looks to be enough (again, on their taller models).

PeterW 05-04-2013 12:20 AM

90% of the damage will be prevented by any leather boot that covers the ankle. Beyond that it gets more spendy for less (relative) protection.

Also - the really protective boots are good at saving you from damage when you crash - but, stiff and inflexible for me means more likely to crash in the first place so - maybe not a net win unless (like a competative MX or Enduro rider) you know you will be crashing.


Pete

ChildlikeWonder 05-04-2013 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kamikazekyle (Post 21329784)
Looking at the Wolverine 1000 Mile boot line, they should fufill the basics if you stick to one of their taller versions with full leather. There's no specs for things like leather thickness, but it looks to be enough (again, on their taller models).

I can tell you that the standard 1000 mile boot, which I already own, is 3.3mm thick. If that's thick enough, I have no problem spending the money on another pair in the taller models. I can't find a motorcycle boot that doesn't cause me pain to wear (sadly, it is very hard for me to find a shoe in general that doesn't cause me pain to wear - I once had an executive of a high-end American shoe company try to fit me, and she was flabbergasted by my feet), so hopefully that's thick enough because given the choice of ride in constant pain or ride in comfort with a boot that is 95% as good as the real thing, I'll take the comfort.

_cy_ 05-04-2013 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChildlikeWonder (Post 21329523)
I have hard to fit feet (size 13 wide with an accessory navicular). I simply cannot find a pair of motorcycle boots that fits me, largely because in addition to needing wide, I need a flat arch. How important is it to safety that the boots be motorcycle boots? Wolverine 1000 Mile Boots fit me. Would those be safe?

check out Bate Custom Leather to see if they can custom fit one up for you.
http://www.batesleathers.com/boots/

http://www.batesleathers.com/images/boots/fastlane.jpg

Stan_R80/7 05-04-2013 05:39 AM

Like most things in life, boots are a compromise: Leather boots are a big improvement over flip-flops or tennis shoes. Dedicated motorcycle boots have specific features (such as shin and ankle guards) which make them better for riding but not very useful off the bike.

Somewhat retro, but Gasolina (in Mexico) sells custom fit boots . I ordered a pair of the shortcut Gasolina boots and emailed my size measurements (they are still being made): http://www.gasolinaboots.com/index.html

I have had good luck getting a range of boot sizes from BA Mason as well: http://www.bamason.com/

Having a boot that fits (and you will wear) is more important than the extra protection a dedicated MC boot provides, IMO. My aerostitch CTB's have shin protetction and tuck the laces, but are just taller leather boots. I have considered altering some BA Mason wellington boots (that are comfortable) for riding by adding shifter leather reinforcement. Good luck!

explodingmouse 05-04-2013 06:33 AM

Try Vendramini , they may be able to do custom sizing.

Snarky 05-04-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterW (Post 21329835)
90% of the damage will be prevented by any leather boot that covers the ankle. Beyond that it gets more spendy for less (relative) protection.

Also - the really protective boots are good at saving you from damage when you crash - but, stiff and inflexible for me means more likely to crash in the first place so - maybe not a net win unless (like a competative MX or Enduro rider) you know you will be crashing.


Pete


I would tend to agree with the synopsis that tall leather boot will take care of 90% of the damage that your average person is likely to experience. A relatively inflexible boot that is snug around the lower leg and foot is more likely to keep those two parts attached if something catastrophic happens. Further more, they will aid in the protection against crushing, abrasions, and puncturing to a greater degree than your average shoes. There's a reason that the major of "motorcycle boots" out there are just particularly uncomfortable leather boots.

Many other motorcycle boots have features that protect against specific damage likely to be experienced in their niche, such as: shin armor, metatarsal guard, composite toe guards, ankle guards.

You also pay for other features that may or may not be important to you. Many motorcycle boots have buckles or zippers to eliminate laces, which are a perceived danger on chain or belt driven bikes, they can also snag on pegs, causing you fall on your face when dismounting. Some boots are lined with gore-tex or some other water resistant material, which is nice if your find yourself riding in the rain a lot. Then you have various soles in boots, such at smooth, all-terrain, and/or metal tipped.

Overall I would say that just first get a pair of boots that are tough leather and feel like they'll prevent your foot from getting bent too far back in the event of an accident at speed. Then perhaps talk to a local cobbler, there's just about one in every town. You might be able to find an off the shelf boot that he can work into a wider size and modify for your protrusion and arch needs. Try a couple of cobblers (shoe/boot specialists) if the first one doesn't pan out.

Kommando 05-04-2013 10:46 AM

Tall, sturdy, all-leather-upper boots, with a shank running along the sole, are more protective than even some moto "boots". I also prefer a safety toe. Some people claim that it makes it harder to feel the shifter or something. I feel the shifter better with my safety-toe footwear than I do with my offroad moto boots, so that's a wash.

Quality all-leather jump, tanker, or flight boots with a safety toe, if you can find some for a decent price, will offer quite a bit of protection compared to lower shoes or casual boots. Some even have zippers.

RMZMZM 05-04-2013 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by explodingmouse (Post 21330694)
Try Vendramini , they may be able to do custom sizing.

+1
Ordered a custom made pair for hubby 5 years ago . He also has very flat feet. Wears a 13 narrow. Very expensive, but well worth every penny . His description - "stupid comfortable"

Bogfarth 05-04-2013 12:30 PM

I bought a pair of Danner Quarry boots because nothing else fit my 11EE foot for a reasonable price. They don't put a cramp in my arch, are made of thick leather, have a Vibram sole that lasts and grips well, are Gore-Tex waterproof, and if I don't like the insoles I can swap them for better ones (Sole brand = heaven!) The ankle isn't rigid enough, though, which is about my only concern.

Regarding laces: I double-knot my laces, and my pants are two inches longer than needed so the laces are covered at all times. Not once have they come undone or snagged on something.

BeachMoto 05-04-2013 12:49 PM

Check these guys out http://www.altberg.co.uk

Mudcat 05-04-2013 01:22 PM

I wear 13 4E also.
The work I did required a lot of walking on rough ground, steep terrain and often in wet conditions.
I had a lot of trouble getting boots that worked well for me, then I discovered Wolverine’s and they fit me great. But not every model of Wolverine’s did.
The model number I am currently using is 03710 in 13 wide. It is completely water proof and has a steel toe. I can wear these boots all day long, 7 days a week without any discomfort.
They are fine for the riding I do on my GS.
For real dirt work, I use MC boots. I just have an old pare of Hipoints that are still in good condition.
I was always able to buy MC boots that fit me. I had to go try them on, I could not have bought them off the internet and expect them to fit me.


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