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speedmonkey7 05-09-2013 11:49 AM

How do I tell if my bike has been lowered?
 
Hey everyone, I am an immensely proud new owner of an 06 950A and trying to figure some things out. I didn't think to ask the PO if the bike had been lowered or anything because frankly for the crazy low price he let it go for, and with only 1500 miles on it, I didn't care, lol. I am attaching a couple pics to see if you all can tell me if it's lowered and if it has a low seat on it. I'd go look at a 990 in a shop but there are none here, and I may have the only Adventure in the state! Anyway I'd appreciate any expert opinions. I suspect the lowering because on its sidestand it barely has enough lean angle to stay standing. I also bottom a lot and nail the skidplate regularly. That last part might just be getting used to a lower travel bike than all my previous bikes. I am getting ready to change fork seals today so maybe you could tell me what to look for in there? The PO got the bike from a dealer on Kauai and the owner of the shop rode it for a while before selling it, so I'm told. Eventually I'd like to swap to S suspension, but can't afford it right now, but I'd like to make sure I am getting as much travel as I can with the stock setup. Thanks in advance! http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/y2yvupud.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/evy4ajyz.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/vujy7u2y.jpg

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Unruled 05-09-2013 12:58 PM

Can't really tell from those pictures. What's the seat height?

speedmonkey7 05-09-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Unruled (Post 21370206)
Can't really tell from those pictures. What's the seat height?

I'll check once I get the forks back together. I didn't see any spacers that didn't belong or anything weird in the forks so maybe it wasn't messed with. Can you tell what seat that is? Sometimes I think it looks like the low seat and sometimes not. Its hard just looking at pictures I guess.


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Peanuts 05-09-2013 02:45 PM

If you are changing the seals you can take the cartridge apart to see if there is a lowering spacer on the damper rod.

Take the base valve out, drain the oil, take the cap off, pull out the complete cap, spring, cartridge assembly.

Remove the cap, spring, unscrew the fluted black spring guide and let the damper rod come out the bottom of the cartridge from where the base valve goes.

If there is a spacer above the rebound spring, this is there to limit how far out the rod comes, thus limiting the extended length of the fork.

Be careful not to damage the split piston ring on the piston at the bottom of the rod.

speedmonkey7 05-09-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanuts (Post 21371056)
If you are changing the seals you can take the cartridge apart to see if there is a lowering spacer on the damper rod.

Take the base valve out, drain the oil, take the cap off, pull out the complete cap, spring, cartridge assembly.

Remove the cap, spring, unscrew the fluted black spring guide and let the damper rod come out the bottom of the cartridge from where the base valve goes.

If there is a spacer above the rebound spring, this is there to limit how far out the rod comes, thus limiting the extended length of the fork.

Be careful not to damage the split piston ring on the piston at the bottom of the rod.

Ok fantastic info there! Thanks I just finished pulling the cartridge out of one and had to stop for a while. When I get back to it I'll pull it apart like you said and take a look. Thanks again!

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Zuber 05-10-2013 08:25 AM

Just seeing the side stand, I'd say it hasn't been lowered.

scottrnelson 05-10-2013 12:34 PM

You could put it on the centerstand and measure how much air is under the rear tire. My 2008 has not been lowered, but it has nearly two inches under the rear tire. No wonder it's so hard to get up on the stand. The Ducati ST2 that I had before it didn't have enough room to stick a finger under the tire when on the centerstand - although I had raise the rear on that one about an inch.

speedmonkey7 05-10-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zuber (Post 21376552)
Just seeing the side stand, I'd say it hasn't been lowered.

Hmm so these bikes just don't lean over very far on the sidestand then? It seems ridiculous, if I'm on even a slight slope uphill to the left of the bike it won't stand on the sidestand! I have to turn around so it leans downhill. I mean a SLIGHT slope! That's why I figured maybe it had been lowered, how could engineers that designed a bike this good have goofed on this. I realize its not the end of the world, but it is annoying at times.

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speedmonkey7 05-10-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scottrnelson (Post 21378507)
You could put it on the centerstand and measure how much air is under the rear tire. My 2008 has not been lowered, but it has nearly two inches under the rear tire. No wonder it's so hard to get up on the stand. The Ducati ST2 that I had before it didn't have enough room to stick a finger under the tire when on the centerstand - although I had raise the rear on that one about an inch.

Ill check that and see. It does go onto the center stand ok though.

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Unruled 05-10-2013 02:49 PM

On street tires (Battlax BT021R) I have roughly 2" of room under the rear wheel, on the center stand. On Mefo's it's less than half an inch. Tires matter.

scottrnelson 05-10-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Unruled (Post 21379457)
On street tires (Battlax BT021R) I have roughly 2" of room under the rear wheel, on the center stand. On Mefo's it's less than half an inch. Tires matter.

So I should get some Mefo's when I finally wear out my Trail Attacks and I'll be able to get my bike on the centerstand more easily?

Sounds good to me.

Ladukebob 05-10-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by speedmonkey7 (Post 21378819)
Hmm so these bikes just don't lean over very far on the sidestand then? It seems ridiculous, if I'm on even a slight slope uphill to the left of the bike it won't stand on the sidestand! I have to turn around so it leans downhill. I mean a SLIGHT slope! That's why I figured maybe it had been lowered, how could engineers that designed a bike this good have goofed on this. I realize its not the end of the world, but it is annoying at times.

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If it bothers you so much just take a 1/2" out of the side stand. If you don't have the equipment to do it simply take the side stand to a welding shop. Seems like a simple fix.

brents347 05-10-2013 09:05 PM

He said he also bottoms alot and hits the skidplate. That sounds lowered to me.

speedmonkey7 05-10-2013 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unruled (Post 21379457)
On street tires (Battlax BT021R) I have roughly 2" of room under the rear wheel, on the center stand. On Mefo's it's less than half an inch. Tires matter.

I'm running heidenau k60s right now. I might go to a 140 80 more knobby style next, maybe that will help the lean angle a bit. I also just scored some .54 fork springs too so that should help bottoming and make it ride higher in the travel. Thanks again to everyone for your opinions! Well see how that works until I can afford the S suspension! :D

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geometrician 05-12-2013 12:11 AM

Rear Spring Preload
 
No mention has been made as to how the rear preload has been set- the differences in full-hard vs full-soft is quite a bit, and effects it on the side stand as well as when riding.

run the preload adjuster all the way in and count the turns out. The adjuster needs to be moved periodically to keep it from seizing, which can be pricey to fix when the knob breaks off in your hand

depending on your weight you may need a rear spring to get your sag in the ballpark


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