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LowPSI 08-01-2013 10:54 AM

Arizona National Feedback
 
The Central Arizona Trials (CAT) put on a first class National this past weekend. Great organization, terrain and section were tops, only 4.5 hours from LA, cool 70 deg days and occasional thunderstorms, I thought I was in Colorado. BUT..... the turn out was low. Only 65 riders. It would be good to know why turnout for western Nationals is low. Please give us your opinion.

lineaway 08-01-2013 02:00 PM

We have only three riders riding this year. A lot of it has to do with hosting a national this year. Our numbers are down locally . A lot has to do with the economy. Hard to justify a trip back east.
Maybe it`s time to revise the national structure?:ear

motobene 08-01-2013 08:52 PM

This is a problem the world over. There are many factors. Yes, the economy. Much of the world is less wealthy than before 2008, or about the same but with higher costs for energy and time. The FIM has pondered this, and made some poor choices in my opinion, but we shall see. Maybe the sport needs a frenetic no-pause pace to attract youth playing video games?

In the USA we have the problem of A VERY BIG COUNTRY. Our advantage is things are cheaper here than in Europe, though we don't see it. $10/gal. gasoline is, well, unthinkable. We have so many obligations on our time. Too much to do? To much we allow ourselves to get entangled with? It's hard to simplify our lives. I have motorcycles for three types of riding, but only time enough to do any one justice. Yet I keep all the others. I should sell them and get back to trials only. But the wife wants her one big transcontinental dual sport ride and camp each year, and some dual sport friends may call and say, "Hey, let's go do Moab again before they eco fascists steal it!" And those dreams are on top of building and working a ranch.

In Europe there is the problem of INSANE PRICES for energy, and the advantage shorter distances, though European kilometers are longer than North American miles (those who have driven there know). Europeans do tend to take the sport quite seriously, however.

Another problem is the growth of the virtual world. It was a long time ago that if you didn't move physically, there'd be nothing to do but breathe and stare. Imagine a future of trials adventures that are virtual and on line. No need to risk the body and get in trouble with a Nanny government.

Yet we should take heart. We live in a time of unprecedented prosperity where we have choices and the means to carry them out. We can bolster the social connections that make a healthy local club that attracts interest and growth.

It's up to us to do more and reach out more. One potential rider at a time.

broncobowsher 08-01-2013 09:21 PM

Well I was there. Checking for you in section 7. But I have nothing to compare it to. It was my first national ever. I thought it was very well put together.

Attendance did feel a little low talking to others who have done nationals before. I don't know how many were scared when they saw Arizona + Summer and thought it was going to be a fry session (it wasn't the weather was GREAT!). I bet a few may have made other plans when they saw the forest fire that was in the area a month before (didn't affect the event at all).

I was pleasantly surprised at the amount of out of state plates that I did see. There were many who did travel a good distance to attend. As for access it was nothing more then taking the interstate to one of the 2 exits and following the pavement all the way to the top of the mountain.

For those who missed it, this is some of what the area was like. Namely the cabin I got for the event.
http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8aa980a5.jpg

And the morning visitor
http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/...pseeaa163d.jpg

You should have been there!

LowPSI 08-02-2013 08:44 AM

Cool pics bronco, I was there too checking section 6 both days. We stayed in a cabin too. The cool thing was you could ride from the pits to your cabin. The elk were so tame they would eat out of your hand. Mine liked tortilla chips.

I realize gas prices at $4/gal are a factor but if you put 4 guys in a truck it's now 1$/gal. I was always good at math.

We are just trying to figure out why more CA, NM and CO riders did not show up. Lineaway may have it right. "hard to justify a trip back east".

I think we needed one more round in the west to make it feasible for western riders.

lineaway 08-02-2013 10:18 AM

The NM guys were `busy` at Sipapu. Takes a lot of work for a national that is 2.5 hours away and requires a lot of physical work just too find the section. Unlike our desert locations that I could set in a day or two!

lineaway 08-02-2013 10:33 AM

Also the mentality of your average rider has changed. Three guys in a van has now become three family`s in three 30 footer`s with trailers. What was `simple` has now become quite a planned excursion for the group. Went from a couple hundred bucks for a fun trip for the guys, to a mini vacation costing thousands.
Just check out the parking lot. Our local events look like an RV show!

Hair 08-02-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motobene (Post 22009206)
This is a problem the world over. There are many factors. Yes, the economy. Much of the world is less wealthy than before 2008, or about the same but with higher costs for energy and time. The FIM has pondered this, and made some poor choices in my opinion, but we shall see. Maybe the sport needs a frenetic no-pause pace to attract youth playing video games?

In the USA we have the problem of A VERY BIG COUNTRY. Our advantage is things are cheaper here than in Europe, though we don't see it. $10/gal. gasoline is, well, unthinkable. We have so many obligations on our time. Too much to do? To much we allow ourselves to get entangled with? It's hard to simplify our lives. I have motorcycles for three types of riding, but only time enough to do any one justice. Yet I keep all the others. I should sell them and get back to trials only. But the wife wants her one big transcontinental dual sport ride and camp each year, and some dual sport friends may call and say, "Hey, let's go do Moab again before they eco fascists steal it!" And those dreams are on top of building and working a ranch.

In Europe there is the problem of INSANE PRICES for energy, and the advantage shorter distances, though European kilometers are longer than North American miles (those who have driven there know). Europeans do tend to take the sport quite seriously, however.

Another problem is the growth of the virtual world. It was a long time ago that if you didn't move physically, there'd be nothing to do but breathe and stare. Imagine a future of trials adventures that are virtual and on line. No need to risk the body and get in trouble with a Nanny government.

Yet we should take heart. We live in a time of unprecedented prosperity where we have choices and the means to carry them out. We can bolster the social connections that make a healthy local club that attracts interest and growth.

It's up to us to do more and reach out more. One potential rider at a time.


We should give some credit to the guy who can take a trials thread and turn it into a political rant.

Maybe some one should school him on JM. He would do well there.

Handy 08-02-2013 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hair (Post 22013632)
We should give some credit to the guy who can take a trials thread and turn it into a political rant.

Maybe some one should school him on JM. He would do well there.

Looks like he gave some valid reasons why more people don't show up to some trials events, which is what the OP asked for.

thegraydog 08-02-2013 03:39 PM

Mohave County Park at Hualapai Peak
Section 9 Saturday
http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20011-L.jpg

As steep as it looks, probably 100' vertical
http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20010-L.jpg

Arizona pro
http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20067-L.jpg

thegraydog 08-02-2013 04:05 PM

We could see Section 12 Saturday, though not the big pro move.
http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20056-L.jpg

Looking down at Sunday Section 10 from the loop trail
http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20078-L.jpg

http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20077-L.jpg

Sam not getting stuck in the hole this time
http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20111-L.jpg

Nathan likewise
http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20109-L.jpg


The way back down
http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20110-L.jpg


Pros:
http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20116-L.jpg

http://vikingranch.smugmug.com/Motor...ls%20122-L.jpg

thegraydog 08-02-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LowPSI (Post 22004935)
The Central Arizona Trials (CAT) put on a first class National this past weekend. Great organization, terrain and section were tops, only 4.5 hours from LA, cool 70 deg days and occasional thunderstorms, I thought I was in Colorado. BUT..... the turn out was low. Only 65 riders. It would be good to know why turnout for western Nationals is low. Please give us your opinion.



A couple observations: We were coached for months about what a big deal this is, how the rules are different and checking must be exact. Then Stan steps up, over a nice buffet breakfast, and reminds us that people come a long ways to have fun, not to argue with hardball checkers, and to kinda keep it club-level, judgement calls favor the rider....

I don't think I've seen much larger turnouts [at any trials] in my five years. Maybe the solution to the Nationals is to dial it back to where the effort [to produce one] is commensurate. Okay, maybe not buddy check.

My bucket list has several classic trials, including the ones I've done: Cedar City, Sipapu, San Ysidro, Ute Cup! Still to come: Taos, Mosteller Cup, Columbia Cup, Bear Valley CA, Limestone Ridge with the Wyoming guys, maybe the Vancouver Island one where Christy Williams beats everybody up. But I don't guess I am motivated by the points series....

I would like CAT to do some two-day events, to see if we could pull more outta-staters. Arizona has some wonderful riding.

laser17 08-02-2013 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hair (Post 22013632)
We should give some credit to the guy who can take a trials thread and turn it into a political rant.

Maybe some one should school him on JM. He would do well there.

Political rant? I dont see a rant. Not even close.

NMTrailboss 08-02-2013 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegraydog (Post 22015425)
Arizona has some wonderful riding.

The terrain in your photos of the National looks amazing! Love to ride that area sometime!!

broncobowsher 08-02-2013 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NMTrailboss (Post 22015855)
The terrain in your photos of the National looks amazing! Love to ride that area sometime!!

So back to the original question, Why didn't you make it? Says you are in just down the 40, that would have been a straight shot down the interstate for you.


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