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ta-rider 09-28-2013 09:18 AM

Consumer Reports: BMW & Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Are Less Reliable than Japanese o
 
This interesding article can be found here:

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news...e-reliability/

joexr 09-28-2013 09:32 AM

And this surprises you how?:lol3

infoatnmmoto 09-28-2013 09:58 AM

Ya ma ha ha.

D.T. 09-28-2013 11:23 AM

Communism is good for some things... :dunno

Er, I think.

danketchpel 09-28-2013 11:38 AM

The Japanese companies are still trying to understand character and inspiration. They often focus so hard at making a bike perform flawlessly they never take a step back and consider the riding experience as a whole.

I wonder how the comparison would had played out if other Euro brands had been included such as Triumph, Ducati, Moto Guzzi, KTM, Aprilia, etc

When I think about riding excitement, inspired design and styling, Japanese brands don't jump to the forefront. Maybe once upon a time but certainly not now, at least for me.

People always focus on the big players but so many find great happiness in the shadows as it were.

Harley and BMW sell a lifestyle or statement that goes along with the bike.

Cataract2 09-28-2013 02:28 PM

Don't suppose BMW's part comes from the final drive explosions?

HD's is already well known. No need to go into them.

miguelitro 09-28-2013 02:34 PM

screw that jap crap, I ride genuine chinese iron.
Mike

MiteyF 09-28-2013 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danketchpel (Post 22433246)
Harley and BMW sell a lifestyle or statement

And Japan sells motorcycles :lol3

ohgood 09-28-2013 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiteyF (Post 22434837)
And Japan sells motorcycles :lol3

Bingo

Norhasken 09-28-2013 07:43 PM

NO surprise here.

HanShotFirst 09-28-2013 09:14 PM

The Japanese just know how to build a quality bike. The Star (Yamaha) cruisers look nearly as good as a Harley, ride better, perform better, don't rattle your nuts off, are more reliable, and significantly less money. With the exception of the GS series, the Japanese have BMW beat in every category but snob appeal. Regarding the GS series, BMW just understands adventure bikes better than anyone else. The Yamaha Sup Tenere is a good bike, but it's no GS killer by any means. For me, I'll take performance and quality over image every time. I'm not rich enough to put up with extra problems just so I can say I have a Harley or a Bimmer.

ktm360mx 09-30-2013 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danketchpel (Post 22433246)

Harley and BMW sell a lifestyle or statement that goes along with the bike.

Yes, and for the rest of us who don't have to buy our friends....:lol3

anotherguy 09-30-2013 07:20 AM

Why is it that I see far more serious high mileage Harleys and BMWs? I've seen a few high mileage jap bikes but many more of the two mentioned. The very definition of conundrum. Could it be that the Japoanese bikes are still viewed as disposable?

Hell I've got an Italian bike with 100K+ on it so WTF do I know?






One of my Harleys has 3 times that on it. :evil

JimVonBaden 09-30-2013 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by anotherguy (Post 22444419)
Why is it that I see far more serious high mileage Harleys and BMWs? I've seen a few high mileage jap bikes but many more of the two mentioned. The very definition of conundrum. Could it be that the Japoanese bikes are still viewed as disposable?

Hell I've got an Italian bike with 100K+ on it so WTF do I know?






One of my Harleys has 3 times that on it. :evil

No one commented on how the "reliability" indicators are on a few issues nearly all with fixes under $200! Yeah, budget busters for sure. (Read the original Consumer Reports article.

Quote:

Outlining its findings, Consumer Reports says that one-in-four Harley-Davidson owners experience a major problem with their machine, while an even more staggering one-in-three BMW owners made a similar complaint.
Also note that customer satisfaction is MUCH higher with HD and BMW!:deal

Quote:

Interestingly enough however, BMW and Harley-Davidson owners were also far more likely to make a repeat-purchase with their chosen brand than were owners of Japanese motorcycles, sans those of Hondas, which scored just slightly lower than BMW and Harley-Davidson on customer retention.
What a poor example of reporting news! :norton

Jim :brow

mikeysduck 09-30-2013 09:23 PM

About 6 weeks ago, I saw a 2009 Honda rebel, that's a 250cc twin, with 76,000 miles. I listened to it run and it sounded like it was just pulled off the show room floor. It was a daily rider that rarely, if ever, saw the inside of a garage. The owner claimed it didn't burn oil, and he rides it on the freeway. Yes it's an older motor design, but I suspect a typical example of most reasonably maintained Hondas.

I have a BMW 650 single. It provides an instantaneous thrill when you twist the throttle, and it gets 55 MPG under throttle abuse. Folks put tens of thousands of miles on this model of German pride. You better believe there is a list of well known issues that go along with ownership. Fortunately I haven't experienced any of them.

If you buy Japanese you better like it. You most likely will tire of it, before it dies. I like my Japanese bikes. I don't worry if I'll make it back home, what's going to fail, if I'll be able to fix it myself.


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