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MadMax 01-27-2014 08:37 PM

Motorcycles- a danger to other drivers?
 
http://www.medicaldaily.com/element-...-action-268007


That's how this article presents this study in the first paragraph. Because motorcycles are not prevalent other drivers are not used to us being present, so accidents occur.

DR Donk 01-28-2014 05:21 AM

There is an easy solution..........we just need more motorcycles on the road so that car drivers are used to seeing us! :deal

anotherguy 01-28-2014 05:52 AM

So because they don't pay attention it's my fault?

Grinnin 01-28-2014 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by anotherguy (Post 23330315)
So because they don't pay attention it's my fault?

Yes. Get a car like a normal person.

randyo 01-28-2014 06:57 AM

just another "study" sponsored by a group with anti motorcycle leanings tailored to conclude the pre-desired result :deal


I summarize that we all have to die from something, increasing the risk motorcycle fatality only decreases the risk of dying from heart disease of cancer or otherwise boring life

DavidM1 01-28-2014 06:59 AM

I always enjoy riding in Mediterranean countries because about 90% of drivers there grew up on mopeds and have an awareness of and a respect for bikers.

Here in the UK I reckon less than 10% of drivers have ridden a bike.

FrogAndTrumpet 01-28-2014 07:11 AM

I've lived in a Mediterranean country (Spain) for some 19 years now, and every day I am still dumbfounded by the scant disregard that I get from a great number of the local cagers. Their view is that they're driving a car, you're on a bike - so you're the smaller vehicle and they have precedence on you. Quite frankly I feel safer in France, where lots of drivers have an eye out for motorcyclists and do such things as move to one side to make passing them easier for you, etc.

Onederer 01-28-2014 07:11 AM

Start treating drivers licenses like CDL's. If a driver losses their license, they are out of a job and just about any infraction can cause them to loss their license.

I don't mean they have to find another way to get to work, I mean they are unemployed and it will be that much more difficult to find employment again.

Bronco638 01-28-2014 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by onederer (Post 23330834)
start treating drivers licenses like cdl's. If a driver losses their license, they are out of a job and just about any infraction can cause them to loss their license.

I don't mean they have to find another way to get to work, i mean they are unemployed and it will be that much more difficult to find employment again.

+1

DavidM1 01-28-2014 07:15 AM

Good one, FrogandTrumpet. Maybe I should have just said France, the Italians are pretty crazy too!

MadMax 01-29-2014 02:36 AM

South Korea riders dominant the traffic in Seoul
 
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Originally Posted by DavidM1 (Post 23330746)
I always enjoy riding in Mediterranean countries because about 90% of drivers there grew up on mopeds and have an awareness of and a respect for bikers.

Here in the UK I reckon less than 10% of drivers have ridden a bike.

I visited Seoul, South Korea several times and people there NEED to have a healthy respect for the motorcycle riders because they are the dominant group of vehicles in that city. In fact, if you exit a building near an intersection, as a pedestrian, you have to look both ways before walking onto the sidewalk or you might get broadsided by a delivery scooter. The cops there allow the scooter delivery men to ride, at speeds around 20 mph, on the sidewalks! :huh

markk53 01-31-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 23328473)
http://www.medicaldaily.com/element-...-action-268007


That's how this article presents this study in the first paragraph. Because motorcycles are not prevalent other drivers are not used to us being present, so accidents occur.


Isn't it really "driver ignorance" creates danger? A good driver will seldom be surprised by any of their environment, moving or stationary.

buls4evr 02-01-2014 07:03 AM

Well there is plenty of "driver/rider ignorance" on the part of large groups of motorcyclists that bunch together, ride way under the speed limit ,then don't expect cagers to pass them also. So one could see their point in this regard. We have all been in our cars and had this happen.It forces car drivers to take big chances and also any overtaking motorcyclists. I have seen 50 bikes in a group like this going 45 in a 55 zone! Stretched out for a mile. This is dumb riding........ NO THEY WERE NOT HARLEYS.... Japanese Barco loungers and Spyders mostly. I chose another route around them, but should I have to?

KLM 3 02-02-2014 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 23338534)
I visited Seoul, South Korea several times and people there NEED to have a healthy respect for the motorcycle riders because they are the dominant group of vehicles in that city. In fact, if you exit a building near an intersection, as a pedestrian, you have to look both ways before walking onto the sidewalk or you might get broadsided by a delivery scooter. The cops there allow the scooter delivery men to ride, at speeds around 20 mph, on the sidewalks! :huh

Here in Japan it is similar. There are enough two-wheelers on the road that you just have to expect them. Also, the way the laws are written, the bigger vehicle assumes a bigger share of the fault in an accident.

flatland964 02-04-2014 06:40 AM

I don't see the text of this article as biased. It seems exactly factual and telling us something we all know. We are in fact in a greater danger of getting into an accident exactly because driver's "don't see us", exactly because they are not used to looking for, or judging the speed of, motorcycles. I thought it was interesting that, in the experiment, it worked similarly for buses.

And I think the solution hinted at in the last paragraph of the article is exactly right: driver's need to be taught to understand that their vision is not objective and can deceive them. It annoys me when I see people pull up to an intersection on a rolling stop, with maybe a half second look, and then pull out. It's in those situations they don't give themselves enough time to see the unexpected. I always look twice in every direction, and move my head to change my position. It was hammered into me at a young age and has stuck.

Marrk53 asks whether it is driver ignorance that causes the problem. I think that is what the article says. Driver's are ignorant of how their eyes work. It is a good thing that there are articles like this to explain it to those interested in reading them.

OK, on re-read, I'll grant you, the heading's reference to "traffic hazard" seems biased. It could have said that the "element of surprise" puts motorcycle at a greater risk of being in an accident. And it could have strengthened its last paragraph's hint that car drivers ought to learn how to scan properly.


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