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TarTripper 07-15-2014 12:51 PM

Stupid, stupid ,stupid near fatal mistake
 
Day before yesterday I nearly killed myself and another rider. In the end we just avoided a head-on, each going on his way without stopping.

I was engaged in a series of very nice twisties on a fairly deserted Scottish road. We had been riding for about an hour and I really felt 'in the groove'.

I probably relaxed concentration for a moment because I went into the next left hand bend just a wee bit too fast.

Almost as soon as I realised I was was too fast another bike appeared going the other way. His track through the turn was close the centreline. The danger was imminent and extreme. At this point I committed just about every newbie error including braking and looking at the oncoming bike. We missed but only by about 2 ft.

I have done track days and I know enough to know that I should have fixed my gaze hard into the turn and leaned more. Now here's the thing. I am sure that if another bike had not been approaching, this is exactly what I would have done.

But the bike represented a huge threat and so I target fixated on it. I hadn't thought about this before but the natural human response when detecting a threat is to fix attention on it. It is very unnatural to look away from danger.

Of course you don't get to practice overriding this natural instinct on a track day. Unless you want to try going round the track the wrong way!

NJ-Brett 07-15-2014 12:58 PM

Those are the risks you take if you over ride your sight lines.
Its fun, but you are risking your life and limb.
And in this case, maybe someone else's.

sparkymcgee 07-15-2014 01:58 PM

Glad you got lucky there.

I'm not sure I could have done any better. Its one of those panic reactions that you never notice when there is no danger.

I'm trying to really focus on only pushing my limit on turns that I know really well and where I have a clear line of sight. My goal is to get comfortable scraping peg feelers so the extreme lean becomes second nature.

Schtum 07-15-2014 02:16 PM

I'm glad it wasn't me coming the other way. Look where you want to go. It really is that simple.

R0CKETMAN 07-15-2014 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Schtum (Post 24622395)
I'm glad it wasn't me coming the other way. Look where you want to go. It really is that simple.

I'll take it a step further and say over compensate looking where you want to go on occasion where appropriate.

For instance, as soon as you saw the bike look at the painted line on the outside of the lane.

...but I wasn't there so who knows...you survived is all that matters.

markk53 07-16-2014 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TarTripper (Post 24621736)
Day before yesterday I nearly killed myself and another rider. In the end we just avoided a head-on, each going on his way without stopping.

I was engaged in a series of very nice twisties on a fairly deserted Scottish road. We had been riding for about an hour and I really felt 'in the groove'.

I probably relaxed concentration for a moment because I went into the next left hand bend just a wee bit too fast.

Almost as soon as I realised I was was too fast another bike appeared going the other way. His track through the turn was close the centreline. The danger was imminent and extreme. At this point I committed just about every newbie error including braking and looking at the oncoming bike. We missed but only by about 2 ft.

I have done track days and I know enough to know that I should have fixed my gaze hard into the turn and leaned more. Now here's the thing. I am sure that if another bike had not been approaching, this is exactly what I would have done.

But the bike represented a huge threat and so I target fixated on it. I hadn't thought about this before but the natural human response when detecting a threat is to fix attention on it. It is very unnatural to look away from danger.

Of course you don't get to practice overriding this natural instinct on a track day. Unless you want to try going round the track the wrong way!


You can do the next best thing. Learn and practice changing line mid turn. You have to think and look where you want to go, inside or outside. Eventually you develop the habit of looking and moving where you want to be. I've done it a few times when I've been going a bit wide with on-coming traffic, moving in a bit further just to play it safe.

NJ-Brett 07-16-2014 09:01 AM

Maybe do some dirt riding.
You really can not dirt ride without learning how to dodge things all the time, ruts, rocks, trees, roots, mud holes, jeeps, if you do not learn how to dodge unexpected things you will crash all the time, which makes you learn fast and well...

Its also loads of fun.

catweasel67 07-16-2014 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sparkymcgee (Post 24622249)
glad you got lucky there.

I'm not sure i could have done any better. Its one of those panic reactions that you never notice when there is no danger.

i'm trying to really focus on only pushing my limit on turns that i know really well and where i have a clear line of sight. My goal is to get comfortable scraping peg feelers so the extreme lean becomes second nature.

+1

Webstermark 07-16-2014 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NJ-Brett (Post 24628245)
Maybe do some dirt riding.
You really can not dirt ride without learning how to dodge things all the time, ruts, rocks, trees, roots, mud holes, jeeps, if you do not learn how to dodge unexpected things you will crash all the time, which makes you learn fast and well...

Its also loads of fun.

I agree and was just about to say the same thing. Falling in the dirt hurts, no doubt about that, but the odds of disaster are lower. You learn, (maybe it becomes more instinctive?) to react quicker to many different situations. It seems what you learn should apply to street riding as well, but I've never over-analyzed that, I just ride!

Human Ills 07-16-2014 10:08 PM

Good thing is you know what you did wrong and are committed to learning from it. You'll be fine.

markk53 07-17-2014 05:35 AM

Off roading is fine and dandy, but it's still about developing the skill to change directions quickly and in reaction to the situation. This can be learned by simply doing it. When riding and goofing around I will move around in a corner. It's not about having the perfect line, it's about changing up the line mid corner. Learn how to do it and it is now in your catalog of possible actions when the situation arises.

When in familiar or open (vision) corners just dive deeper or move out wider. The actions needed to avoid road kill or a pot hole, whatever. You learn what it takes to do it.

KX50002 07-17-2014 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sparkymcgee (Post 24622249)
Glad you got lucky there.

I'm not sure I could have done any better. Its one of those panic reactions that you never notice when there is no danger.

I'm trying to really focus on only pushing my limit on turns that I know really well and where I have a clear line of sight. My goal is to get comfortable scraping peg feelers so the extreme lean becomes second nature.

And maybe.... just slow down a bit on the street?

"Good thing is you know what you did wrong and are committed to learning from it. You'll be fine. " This +1

scootrboi 07-17-2014 06:26 AM

Damn the torpedoes
 
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Originally Posted by KX50002 (Post 24635133)
And maybe.... just slow down a bit on the street?

"Good thing is you know what you did wrong and are committed to learning from it. You'll be fine. " This +1

Driving fast is a given here.

Chuckracer 07-17-2014 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Human Ills (Post 24633812)
Good thing is you know what you did wrong and are committed to learning from it. You'll be fine.

This. Everybody's done it. The trick is to learn from it, and I'll bet you won't let that happen again.

You just became a better rider. :thumb

KX50002 07-17-2014 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by scootrboi (Post 24635178)
Driving fast is a given here.

I ride fast too, but we were (I thought) discussing overcooking a corner and nearly hitting another bike


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