OK..this is NOT a knock on Forma boots. I got a pair of Terrains from BP at Atomic Moto. They are fantastic in all ways. However I have the biggest calves in the Western Hemisphere and that area of most riding boots is way too tight. That is why I was wearing a 30 year old pair of Hi Points. I called BP and he made it easy to send them back and after a helpful talk, he suggested some oiled Balance.. results... awesome fit and happy boy here. I also bought two pair of Klim pants and some jerseys. Im sure the Formas wil work super for most of you. My message here... BP and his biz are super to do buisness with. Ive been jerked around by a lot of bigger companies. Its a true treat to find a guy that really cares about his customers.