Originally Posted by Wildman
Do you actually have an opinion on the F650GS or F800GS? One, to quote you, "based on fact".
You don't need facts to have an opinion. You proved that one already.
But seriously, the new 800GS looks awesome, a larger fuel tank would be nice, but hey, what can you do? So you live with it.
My Bombardier ATV had a Rotax engine. Rock-solid performance, no problems. I suspect BMW has a good engine there. Plus, these new bikes are much simpler than the big bikes, so I'd be inclined to think they're as safe a bet as anything BMW makes, on the plus side. I also like the steel tube frame better than a cast unit for off-road work.
If I was planning a particular trip and I determined the 800GS was the best choice for that trip, I'd buy it and roll the dice.
To own a BMW you have to really enjoy the bike and be willing to live with the warts and cost of ownership. Nothing right or wrong with that. Ride what you want to. It's all good.