Just a tidbit on '14 new Forzas - around here (Baltimore area) I've seen non-ABS Forzas for a grand discount ($4,599 plus fees). The same dealer had a Black Friday sale on a '13 PCX for $1, 724, they are now back up to $2,241 plus the usual fees. A dealer in State College, PA has a new '14 Forza for $3,799 plus 149 freight & 149 setup (no mention of doc fees). (http://www.trackntrail.net/pre_owne...=&PriceThru=&stocknumber=&s=search&industry=1) Methinks Honda is really pushing to get rid of current stock - good time to buy if it fits your needs.
Out west you never find these deals. I am looking at getting a Smax 155 for about the same price as the Forza. Then again, the ease of maintenance is a huge factor in my purchasing. Still, that For a pricing is ridiculously tasty.
There is one in CA for $3,988 and the place in State College, PA has dropped the price to $3,699. http://www.cycletrader.com/FORZA---...otorcycle|356953,Trailer|3284663&vrsn=hybrid&
I called my Yamaha dealer today to get the ball rolling. That Forza in Simi Valley is damn tempting though. I should be looking for a steal on a new BV350 too.
Honda has no plans to dump the non ABS Forza. Western Honda in Scottsdale, AZ sells several times as many non ABS models as ABS ones. Non ABS models are priced at $4,781.00, ABS models are $500 more. But, this dealer does not charge Honda's $310 "destination" fee. Not a scooter, but Apache is selling 2014 V-Star 250s for $2999. V Star 250 MSRP $4,340.00* Our Price $2,995.00* I don't see any good deals on Japanese scooters. Western Honda still has new Silverwings for $2000 off MSRP. If only I were rich. SYM and Kymco are where the scooter deals are. Pretty much everything is going OTD for under MSRP.
Local dealer sold a couple of Forzas this year, that's it. The price of either has remained the same. Be Big, AMAC
I posted this totally unscientific data in another thread. The local Kymco dealer sold 26 300cc scoots, DT and GTI, so far this year. The local Honda dealer has sold 3 Forzas. This is in a land that is littered with scooters of all kinds. We just don't see many honda scooters here. A few Burgmans and the occasional BV. The Honda dealer was very direct to say he didn't care if he sold the one on the floor or not. He also said they can flip most lookers to a small cycle. Told me he's in the business of selling motorcycles. Be Big, AMAC
Yep it's bullshit. I first saw a problem when I was getting fantastic service on the Goldwing yet the reflex work would take forever and it always went back. Techs hated working on it and had no issue saying so. It's a poor display that I think (hope) is a huge exception to how Honda dealers work. It does help explain the local Kymco dealers exceptional 150-300cc scooter sales. I think the biggest issue is with the competition form scooter shops and the fact that Honda dealers well, don't deal customers look elsewhere down here. But Japan's big three knows this. In the US most markets don't offer a viable "other choice" for scooters. So what little market there is they own. and so it goes. Be Big, AMAC
This has been my experience when going into most Honda, Suzuki, and Yamaha dealers... the scooters don't get prime floor space, nor do the salespeople know much about them. Somewhat understandable - if floor space is limited, you want to show off what makes you the most $$. You have to be determined if you're gonna ride a scooter. I'm not shy about asking for what I want. At one of the multi-brand dealers we visited when we were looking for our scoots, the sales guy couldn't figure out how to close the seat... instead of pushing down on it, he was slamming the hell out of it. My wife said, "Well, I sure don't want THAT one!" Jim
Yeah, I just tried to buy that $3699 Forza. "Out of state, sorry" they said. think I'll stick to my original plan of getting an Smax. >We can't ship new Hondas, they must be picked up here in person. You could be here and do paper work and then it could be shipped by you but we can't just send a bike to you. If you can work anything out that we can help with let us know. Track N Trail Inc. 1246 E College Avenue State College,, PA 16801 (814) 237-2581 Email: chuck@trackntrail.net
Every Honda dealer I've talked to says the same thing. You have to go into the dealership to do the paperwork. They say it's Honda's policy. Is it really? I don't know.
I don't know if any of the other 7 Honda dealers around here has sold any. Western Honda is the only Honda Powerhouse dealer in the state, they are a small Honda only dealership, and they do so well because of their fair prices. They do not specialize in any one particular thing. They do have a dirt bike/ATV guy and a street bike guy in the parts and service department. They will sell you what you are looking for, not try to talk you into something else. This dealer has been around since the mid '60s. They are making a living for themselves and their employees, not trying to build an empire or get rich like the rest. They don't even push extended warranties and service contracts. All of that is why they sell so many bikes. Apparently because they do move so many bikes, Honda lets them off the hook on the destination charge. No Japanese brand dealer is allowed to ship a bike. Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha requires that new bikes be delivered to the customer in person after proper setup, etc. The cost of shipping a bike is so high that it would more than offset any savings. It costs as much to ship a bike as it does a car. I can have a car shipped from Phoenix to Portland, OR for just under $400.
Sound like dealer doesn't want to do paper work . Then again it could be the same shit honda and other do with etc . We ll not sell to canada from usa. I lean towards the shit of dealer not wanting to bother with paper work , waiting for cash to clear etc. If it was a honda policy why do some dealerships do it and some not ? May not even be the head manager there but dealing with some young sale guy. Good deal but I wouldn't be also shock to see them asking 600 bucks plus in fees etc. To ship a bike is 400 to 500 bucks . Then again nothing stopping you finding a cheap flight there for 300 bucks and doing the deal . get it picked up after by whom ever you want to use for shipping . The dealership are forced to take so many of x number of bikes and types I think. Thats why there still 6 year old new old stock for sale. if anyone really want to know if this is a True policy you cant ship a bike and must do it in person just look up honda America and call the 1800 number. someone will tell you.
Just b/c you see other dealers breaking their contract w/ Honda (or any legit m/c co) doesn't mean the no-ship contract doesn't exist. IShipping out a crate is easier than selling one off showroom where it typically takes 1 hr to put the wheels and bar on bike, connecting the battery, and then filling it w/ fuel to do a test run. Paperwork isn't even a concern b/c all an out of state buyer will get is an MSO paper from the factory, a sales receipt from dealer. no TT&L paperwork. SO how can (less) paperwork motivate a dealer to NOT ship? Here's how. If a dealer ships, it risks losing its license should another dealer reports this illegal practice to Honda. Think about how much $$ you need to pony up just to apply for a dealer's license, and then how much you need to go to the bank to borrow just to hang a sign, and then how much line of credit you need to stock your bldg w/ crates of bikes. Now think about how little profit you are making by shipping.