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Old 09-06-2007, 06:54 AM   #1
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Does ATGATT have a downside?

No, I'm not recommending riding without adequate safety gear: thanks for asking.

But I keep reading Face plant reports where the rider has apparently (I recognize the difficulty of communicating in this medium) made a significant error and been involved in what was very likely an avoidable accident. Often those folks are very proud of the fact they were ATGATT but gloss over their responsibility in the wreck which IMO is much more important.

Is it possible we're worried too much about dressing properly and not enough on riding properly? Can ATGATT give us a false sense of security?

(And BTW: damned if I know. I just hoped it would make for interesting discussion.)
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:11 AM   #2
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I've crashed on the street and the track and I'll be the first to admit it was my fault. The leathers saved my skin both times so I'm a firm believer in ATGATT. I won't say it gives me a false sense of security but riding in anything less makes me feel extremely vulnerable. Frankly, the nightly 20+ mile bicycle ride is much more dangerous. Worst wreck I've had was during a bicycle race. Road rash hurts. So does having a Shimano 105 cassette grind your right ankle into hamburger meat.
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:27 AM   #3
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In my opinion many suit (including Roadcrafter) way too bulky for normal riding. They actually limit your ability to move and properly react on road hazards. By definition riding motorcycle about (especially off-road): motorcycle constantly loosing balance and rider constantly make correction by steering and balancing with body movement.
That’s why after I tried couple suits I stopped one that provides just enough protection and less limiting. Same with boots, gloves and helmet.
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Old 02-06-2010, 07:28 PM   #4
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[quote=motogon]In my opinion many suit (including Roadcrafter) way too bulky for normal riding. They actually limit your ability to move and properly react on road hazards.]

All due respect Motogon, but thats a crock if your gear is properly fitted. If your gear is restricting your movement, you got the wrong gear, period.

But more importantly, it's not the crash that you see coming that hurts you the most. It's the one you never see coming (like getting punted through an intersection by an inattentive cager ).

Ride with whatever you feel is right for you but I'll be ATGATT.
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Old 02-07-2010, 08:49 PM   #5
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I was riding along in a 30mph zone. Entered a traffic circle (so I slowed down to about 15mph) and observed another vehicle approaching the circle. They hit their brakes and looked like they were coming to a full stop so I looked at the next street, the one I needed to exit onto. In my peripheral, I saw the bumper of the car, he impacted the right rear of my bike (saddle bag, thankfully, and not my ankle). I slid, the rear tire caught and I high-sided. I had no exposed skin but no armor.

My knees and elbows were very easy to clean (according to the ER). My cheap gloves protected the skin on my hands but I immediately bought better gloves after seeing how they tore apart at such low speed.
The EMT's asked several times if I hit my head and I said no. Then they asked me to confirm the scratch that went from the face to the rear of the helmet and I said, yes, I hit my head. I never knew it hit, it must have been while I was rolling.

I learned that armor is a good thing and I now make sure that I have some form of armor all the time. I wish I had worn my jacket, but it was just a 1 mile ride to the gas station, on a military base with low speed limits, so I thought I would be fine. Now my knees and elbows turn purple in the shower but maybe in another 5 years that will diminish.

I ride in 100+ degree heat around here and I always wear armor, I just pick something that will breathe when possible.
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:11 AM   #6
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years ago I had a walking pace highside when the front wheel on my beemer caught a rut that I didn't notice due to my looking other than where I was going. picked the bike up and rode 30 miles back home. when I took my helmet off, I noticed a smear of dirt on the side. wiped it off and discovered a two inch long crack in the helmet. like the others, I would have sworn that my helmet had not hit the ground. I did have a concussion and headaches and dizzyness for two days.

a few years ago I changed bikes and went from a single piston single disc front brake to a dual disc dual piston front brake. grabbed the front brake like always and instant low side. scuffed up leathers on my left shoulder and hip, scratched up helmet with the visor destroyed.

two crashes on the street in 40+ years of riding. sweat dries faster than skin heals. ATGATT for me
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:21 AM   #7
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Yes, No, Maybe

Just like people that have four wheel drive cars and trucks can become over confident in their vehicle's ability to go anywhere, riders that wear ATGATT can begin to feel invulnerable. We're dressed up like football players, what can hurt us? So yes, it's possible.

I don't think I push the envelope so, no not me.

The downside issues I see are, heat, dehydration, ridicule. My Darien is hot in Ohio's August heat and humidity. On longer trips I drink water by the gallon to stay hydrated. When I ride with a group, rarely, I'm almost always the only one ATGATT. They make fun of me . I'm almost always the last one ready to go after rest/fuel breaks.

Then again I don't get wet when it rains. I don't get hit in the eye by June Bugs. I only had a little bitty bruise when I had my only get off :knockwood.

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Old 09-06-2007, 07:28 AM   #8
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Crashing is inevitable, skill has nothing to do with it. Everyone will crash, it's just a matter of when, how bad and how often. A motorcyclist could only crash once in their lifetime while others (who shall remain nameless) seem to have a problem with gravity pulling them down.

A lot of riders don't practice ATGATT (though not of this forum) and they are silent in their embarrassment and/or pain.

The only downside to ATGATT...it takes longer to get ready for a ride.


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No, I'm not recommending riding without adequate safety gear: thanks for asking.

But I keep reading Face plant reports where the rider has apparently (I recognize the difficulty of communicating in this medium) made a significant error and been involved in what was very likely an avoidable accident. Often those folks are very proud of the fact they were ATGATT but gloss over their responsibility in the wreck which IMO is much more important.

Is it possible we're worried too much about dressing properly and not enough on riding properly? Can ATGATT give us a false sense of security?

(And BTW: damned if I know. I just hoped it would make for interesting discussion.)
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:41 AM   #9
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Theres plenty of downsides to wearing gear, but none of them are at all related to your riding skill. Skill is skill, gear isn't going to change that. Gear will, however, be a pain in the ass to put on/take off, smell bad, get dirty, cost a lot, be hot and not look cool. I'm still going to wear it.
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Old 09-06-2007, 08:11 AM   #10
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when i feel some complacency creeping in (like yesterday) its time stay vigilant about the riding gear. i feel i have a responsibility to my family to wear the gear so if i do go down then i'll have done what i can to minimize the injuries. i also think its important to practice basic riding skills...think emergency stops at the local comm. college parking lot.

as far as worrying too much about it i think its more important to not get complacent. it also helps to have gear that you don't mind putting on. if you don't like the gear you have you may be more apt to not wear it. if you get stuff that looks good, is well made, and climate specific i feel you will won't mind putting it on. sorry i rambled on.

as far as the original question: i like to think that the ones that are atgatt prolly are more apt to stay up on their riding skills as well.

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Old 09-06-2007, 08:27 AM   #11
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Gear will, however, be a pain in the ass to put on/take off, smell bad, get dirty, cost a lot, be hot and not look cool.
Pretty new here and just got my endorsement, so my opinion may not carry much weight, but I have to say that as I have been observing riders out on the streets, I am finding that the ones in full gear look the coolest by far.
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Old 09-06-2007, 08:34 AM   #12
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mayqueen do you have a moto yet? reason i'm asking is cause my wife is going to take the brc next month and at some point will want her own moto. whats important to you as far as type of bike, height, style...that sort of stuff.

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Old 09-06-2007, 08:47 AM   #13
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mayqueen do you have a moto yet? reason i'm asking is cause my wife is going to take the brc next month and at some point will want her own moto. whats important to you as far as type of bike, height, style...that sort of stuff.

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I don't have a bike yet. This is a touchy subject at home right now. My husband and I took the MSF class together. I passed, he didn't.

For me, the most important part of finding a bike will probably be height and fit as far as where my hands are and reach of controls. I'm just 5', so I will need to find something that I will be able to flat foot on. I rode a Rebel in class and that fit me pretty well. I will be looking at the Shadow as soon as I can get over to the dealer. Another bike that has been recommended to me because of my height is the Buell Blast.

Gear will be another fun thing, ha. I'm short and fluffy. I'm sure things will have to be shortened when I do find them. Nothing I haven't dealt with in my life before though.

Good luck to Mrs Dirtgeek!!!!
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:19 AM   #14
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really who doesn't ride with all the gear?
My uncle doesn't, he's crazy well he's been riding for 40 years and he hit one deer and it broke his arm like 25 years ago, but even since he rarely wears all his gear..

i don't care for it.
boots, pants jacket and helm- all with armor.
and no 3/4 of open face stuff on my bike.

atgatt is a good safety- besides i never have to really pick out what i am wearing- i am armored up and thats all
of course i wear my leathers when i am 'hooliganing' it up or going to the track.
other wise its adventure wear.
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Old 09-06-2007, 09:48 PM   #15
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I love it when you talk like that

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Pretty new here and just got my endorsement, so my opinion may not carry much weight, but I have to say that as I have been observing riders out on the streets, I am finding that the ones in full gear look the coolest by far.
Actually I "feel" more cool looking when I'm decked out with all the gear and I'm going to keep telling myself it's true whether anyone else thinks so or not. It's my skin, my head, my bones and my everything else inside so it's my opinion that counts.

If someone wants to "make fun" of my gear I just smile along with them... not because it's funny but because I love being reminded of what it was like to be in the first grade.

Not sure I ride more agressively because I'm wearing the gear but I for sure feel more safe. But that begs the question of whether riding "a little more agressive" is worse than riding "a little more timid". I'm not talking about blowing down the highway on one wheel or drifting corners at 90+ in the neighborhood here because feeling safer has nothing to do with that. I'm talking about just pushing it a little harder and a being little quicker than normal.
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