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Old 12-27-2007, 07:16 PM   #1
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Transamerica trail

Is there a GPS route tool for the Transamerica trail rather than the roll chart by Sam Correro, which can be cumbersome on the handlebars? I hope Sam will introduce a better mapping device to cover the entire trail via download on any GPS.

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Old 12-27-2007, 07:28 PM   #2
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download on any GPS[/B].
Therein lies the problem. Think about it.
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Old 12-27-2007, 08:11 PM   #3
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Is there a GPS route tool for the Transamerica trail rather than the roll chart by Sam Correro, which can be cumbersome on the handlebars? I hope Sam will introduce a better mapping device to cover the entire trail via download on any GPS.
Sam's maps (with the exception of Oregon) are good enough for you to sit down with Mapsource and the Roads and Rec or Topo Maps and create your own tracks.

I don't anticipate Sam changing anything about the route anytime soon. Anyone who has ridden the Western TAT knows that many of the maps and rollcharts are in dire need of updates, but if you ask Sam he tells you everything is OK.

I thought about this and came to the conclusion that this is just fine and Sam as the creator of the trail is also the custodian. There is only one Transamerica Trail and it is what it is. Parts of it are being closed every year for various reasons, if you want to experience it as close to the original as possible you better not wait. The TAT is a great adventure. I certainly enjoyed my two weeks on the trail. I hope Sam leaves it just like it is. Buy the maps and roll charts and ride the TAT, you won't regret it.

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Old 12-27-2007, 10:21 PM   #4
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Sorry can one of you provide a link to purchase the maps and roll charts?
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Old 12-27-2007, 10:26 PM   #5
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Sorry can one of you provide a link to purchase the maps and roll charts?
http://www.transamtrail.com/
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Old 12-28-2007, 04:46 AM   #6
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Greetings,
Roll charts aren't for everyone, myself included.
Hopefully someone will soon provide the market with a GPS friendly version of the trail, while compensating Sam for his time, so we can all move on.

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Old 12-28-2007, 09:27 AM   #7
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You get a nice detailed map with the charts. It is not hard to sit down and transfer these maps to mapsource. I did this and had it all transfered to GPS in two evenings.
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Old 12-28-2007, 05:26 PM   #8
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Roll charts aren't for everyone, myself included.
Hopefully someone will soon provide the market with a GPS friendly version of the trail, while compensating Sam for his time, so we can all move on.

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There is no "market" for GPS tracks since they can not be copywrited. As soon as your tracks hit the Internet, your investment is lost. Just look at the CDR!

I provide tracks for my Roll Chart rides but as soon as one appears on the Internet without my permission there will be no more trqcks for my rides.

On Mexico to Canada, riders must turn in the roll chart every night to get the one for the next day. They must aalso gree to erase the tracks each day and not keep a copy.

The answer above is the way to go, if you want tracks draw them from Sam's maps.
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:50 AM   #9
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Anyone who has ridden the Western TAT knows that many of the maps and rollcharts are in dire need of updates
Greetings again,
This is the very point. Even if I can, as Jeff states, "sit down and transfer these maps to mapsource... I did this and had it all transfered to GPS in two evenings...," does doing so really make the most sense? Not if Sam's map info is no longer current. Why not have someone who most recently completed the trail share their GPS data so others can have the best chance of completing it in a timely and safe manner? And even if I did transfer the map data to mapsource, as Jeff sugggests, what's to prevent me from freely sharing that with others, as so many are afraid will happen? Well, its this: Adv. riders, for the most part, are stand-up individuals, and not prone to stealing. I'm sure the vast majority would pay for the use of TAT GPS data if it was available. Look at all the ride reports where so many of us have gone way beyond what non-Adv. riders would do to help out our own. I'm certain this spirit of honor and assistance would extend to the use of Sam's, and others', specialized GPS data as well.
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Old 12-29-2007, 09:02 AM   #10
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I do not see the issue, I bought the maps, spent my time working my way thru the maps, created my TAT on Mapsource and put in my GPS. If I came to a dead end or a closed area, I just worked my way around and went on. Most of those were bridges out, washed roads, or major screw up on my part.

I found that 99 percent of the trail is correct, the other parts were just a challenge and added to the excitement of the trip. I also used google earth to verify gps data, points, tracks and other. Little home work went a long way. Actually found several other ways around obsticals and had that info just in case.

My suggestion, get the maps, learn the maps, put the data in the GPS, follow the TAT as close as possible, and deal with the issues as they arise, learn the area 30 miles either side of the route for emergency, and have a great ride.

It took me three evenings to build the route and get comfortable with the info.

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Old 12-29-2007, 09:03 AM   #11
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Call me crazy, but I think the roll charts make it more fun. Hey it's an adventure.
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:28 PM   #12
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Call me crazy, but I think the roll charts make it more fun. Hey it's an adventure.
What a concept!

This is the point I was trying to make, the TAT is an adventure. Part of the adventure is working with the maps and roll charts and navigating your way across the country off pavement. If you can't understand how this process is part of the TAT adventure you miss the whole reason for doing the ride. While I created tracks in Mapsource from Sam's maps, they were inaccurrate enough that we often had to rely on the roll charts to stay on the trail. The tracks were a wonderful tool, but only one part of the equation for success.

I think this is why Sam is reluctant to change the ride. The TAT is the TAT because it hasn't changed. As someone noted above, the vast majority of the route is still accurrate. The trail closures, rock slides bridges out and all the other challenges you encounter along the way just make it more memorable.

Do you think people have offered Sam GPS tracks of the ride? Do you think people have offered him bypasses around closed sections of the trail? Probably hunderds of times. I for one am glad the TAT is still the same adventure that it was when it was first charted, maybe even more so today. I am glad I didn't have a set of tracks given to me for the ride. My guess is so are a lot of other people.

I am a huge fan of GPS's and I love to create and share tracks with others, but I have to say that GPS tracks have really sterilized adventure riding or at least removed navigation as part of the adventure equation.

Everyone has an opinion, but I hope Sam leaves the TAT just like it is.

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Old 02-26-2010, 06:04 PM   #13
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I will PM my receipt to show that I bought Sam's maps to anyone that has updated GPS tracks for Oregon.

Sam hasn't seen the need to update the maps and it may not happen due to the quickly changing landscape in Oregon.

It might have to become an evolutionary process due to road closings and fencing.
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Old 02-26-2010, 06:32 PM   #14
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Is a guy on the TAT yahoo group who has redone and updated Oregon completely with pics etc that I think will sell them to those who have bought Sam's maps. I read about it a couple months ago. you have to join the group to read it I think.
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:32 AM   #15
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I will PM my receipt to show that I bought Sam's maps to anyone that has updated GPS tracks for Oregon.

Sam hasn't seen the need to update the maps and it may not happen due to the quickly changing landscape in Oregon.

It might have to become an evolutionary process due to road closings and fencing.
It looks like I was wrong if this info is correct. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...=garmin+memory

It states that Sam is going to Oregon this June to update the map. This is good news and I'm looking forward to getting the update.

However, if I can run the TAT this year the update won't be available so my request for Oregon updates still stands.
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