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Old 06-05-2009, 11:15 PM   #1
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Short Trips Non-ATGATT not a good idea.

From the Hurt Report;


Most motorcycle accidents involve a short trip associated with shopping, errands, friends, entertainment or recreation, and the accident is likely to happen within 5 miles or 12 minutes of the trip origin.

After learning that, I'm ATGATT or in the car.
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Old 06-05-2009, 11:29 PM   #2
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From the Hurt Report;


Most motorcycle accidents involve a short trip associated with shopping, errands, friends, entertainment or recreation, and the accident is likely to happen within 5 miles or 12 minutes of the trip origin.

After learning that, I'm ATGATT or in the car.
The good news is that most accidents also happen at 20-30 mph, if I remember correctly, so wearing racing leathers every day isn't absolutely necessary. I've hit the pavement a few times in blue jeans and walked away with minor road rash.
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Old 06-06-2009, 03:11 AM   #3
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I've hit the pavement a few times in blue jeans and walked away with minor road rash.
lucky you
I did a police meassured 140m slide, for non-metrics: almost 460ft
after a car decuded I was not going to pass and knocked the GS out from under me
a less than 30ft blue smear was the right side of my jeans
the best jacket available at the time and mx boots saved my hide

you will catch me in jeans very, very seldom
but I do not ride only a few miles either
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:16 AM   #4
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The good news is that most accidents also happen at 20-30 mph, if I remember correctly, so wearing racing leathers every day isn't absolutely necessary. I've hit the pavement a few times in blue jeans and walked away with minor road rash.
Easy. Go everywhere fast!
Sorry officer, I was going fast so I didn't have an accident
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:51 AM   #5
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Most motorcycle accidents involve a short trip associated with shopping, errands, friends, entertainment or recreation, and the accident is likely to happen within 5 miles or 12 minutes of the trip origin.
I'm pretty sure that describes a vast majority of motorcycle trips in general.

Not discounting the study, but it's like saying most motorcycle accidents happen when it's not raining... probably true. But that doesn't mean riding in the rain is safer, it means a vast majority of riders only go out when it's not raining.

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Old 06-06-2009, 03:15 AM   #6
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I'm pretty sure that describes a vast majority of motorcycle trips in general.

Not discounting the study, but it's like saying most motorcycle accidents happen when it's not raining... probably true. But that doesn't mean riding in the rain is safer, it means a vast majority of riders only go out when it's not raining.

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that might be true
but on the other hand
most riders are less inattentive when it's raining
and just around the block people are most likely to let their guard down
with their mind already on whatever task they will face in a little while ...
got my drift?
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Old 06-06-2009, 04:05 AM   #7
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Where are you more often, close to home or far away from it? Most people that ride motorcycle are not long distance riders....and even those that DO take long trips probably make more short trips and errands than they do long hauls.

There's the stupidity of this statistic.

Most people die in their homes, another earth-shattering statistic. But, based on it, I don't spend much time in the house.....see, I'm smart.

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Old 06-06-2009, 04:42 AM   #8
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Speaking of misleading . . .

When I decided to get a bike (dual sport in particular), my thinking was that I would mainly be on dirt roads and rarely on the highway. My main concern isn't injuries in general, but death or serious injuries that would effect my family.

It now seems pretty apparent to me that even with the higher speeds of the highway, the most dangerous places for motorcycles seems to be those areas where there is a combination of speed, other vehicles, and intersections/cross streets/ as well as undivided roads.

Not saying motorcyclists don't die on highways, but I would think (mile for mile) there are probably more fatalities on the higher speed city streets.

In other words, there can be lots of threats on local roads but your reduced speed lessens the chance of serious injury. On the other side, highways have the higher speeds but less external threats. But that middle area - where your speeds are higher but you still have the external threats of city traffic - Yikes.

Now, I just have to figure out how to minimize my internal threats of overconfidence and newbiness.
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Old 06-06-2009, 06:04 AM   #9
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Studies can prove or disprove anything but it wouldn’t surprise me if you are at greater risk when riding close to home. You know the area, you think you are safe, you have other things on your mind than ‘road trip’, riding itself is not the sole purpose of riding, is not you get careless. Of course YMMV but in general I’d say that’s how it is.


ATGATT on local trips might be a good idea but really knowing what you are getting yourself into and ride with the same care and attention you do on longer trips might reduce the risk, too.

When coming back from a long trip and getting within a 200 miles from home, I slow down and increase the number of breaks, every 50 miles, then every 25 miles for the last 100 or so miles.


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Old 06-10-2009, 06:27 AM   #10
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In other words, there can be lots of threats on local roads but your reduced speed lessens the chance of serious injury. On the other side, highways have the higher speeds but less external threats. But that middle area - where your speeds are higher but you still have the external threats of city traffic - Yikes.
I agree completely. As an example...I get funny looks wearing all leathers just popping around Norfolk, but my self-policing is that I don't go through the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel in less than full leather (or anywhere my speeds will be over 45mph-ish). All it takes is one bonehead and you'd be very dead in that there tunnel. I know I can't make myself wear leather pants 100% of the time (jacket yes, pants no), but I come to some reasonable agreement with myself as to where I'm most likely to potentially need it, and wear it in at least those conditions 100% of the time.

Boots are another biggie. I won't go anywhere without proper footwear. I twisted an ankle pretty solidly with a dumb drop in a parking lot (getting foot stuck in the still spinning rear wheel) and since then I haven't got on a bike without proper footwear.
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:52 AM   #11
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VaderSS, Maybe ATGATT in the car would be the safest answer. If safety is the biggest concern I would suggest...... aw nevermind.

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Old 06-07-2009, 09:37 AM   #12
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From the Hurt Report;


Most motorcycle accidents involve a short trip associated with shopping, errands, friends, entertainment or recreation, and the accident is likely to happen within 5 miles or 12 minutes of the trip origin.

After learning that, I'm ATGATT or in the car.


5 miles or 12 minutes? Damn it looks like the Harley doorstep to Starbucks crowd is safe....
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Old 06-07-2009, 11:03 AM   #13
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Learned my short trip lesson long ago.
Hopped into my car coming out of one store and was gonna drive to another store 2 blocks away and did not put my seat belt on.
After traveling 1 block, I turned right at the light, and here comes this wide eyed woman with a police cruiser in full pursuit in my lane.
She swerved back into her own lane, ran the red light and t-boned a car behind me.
Lesson learned, you just never know............
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Old 06-07-2009, 11:10 PM   #14
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Last weekend (5/30) I went on a very short 2 mile round trip to fuel my bike. Was planning to go on a group ride the following day. Being a lurker here on ADV I'm well aware of ATGATT.

The weather that Saturday was perfect. I almost didn't wear a jacket. I left the house wearing blue jeans and sneakers, cause I was too lazy to put on my boots for a short trip. Hell I even looked at my 3/4 helmet before I grabbed my Shoei DS Hornet.

Filled the tank, pulled out of the station and got about two hundred feet and was taken out hard. Was on a four lane road and the lady to my left decided she could turn right from the inside lane. Happened so fast, I wasn't even able to think "Oh Shit!". Don't remember the impact at all, just seeing the car, then being on the asphalt.

Damage done: Helmet, jacket and bike look ugly. My left arm from wrist to shoulder hit her car. Very bruised and still hurts. Right knee hurts, atm, and must've been twisted when the bike went down. Guess I'm lucky cause it could've been worse. No more 3/4 helmet for me, and next time I'll take the time to wear boots even for an around the block trip.
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Old 09-01-2013, 04:29 PM   #15
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Every trip starts out close to the beginning in both time and distance.

Day rides also end there (obviously only a minority of moto trips are overnighters or longer).

The accidents happen where the trips are occurring. Kind of a non-statistic.
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