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Old 05-09-2010, 08:18 PM   #1
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Question vibration..and everything out of round

So I just completed a 650 mile trip on my 07 GSA. After many hours in the saddle I realized that the overall vibration was making the ride quite uncomfortable for me. Specifically, the right hand grip seemed to have about 1/8" of vibration in a down&forward, up&back direction. My right wrist was not happy about the relentless motion. The left grip, curiously, was pretty smooth.

Background:

Bike has 14k miles. My front tire is a Tourance with about 10k miles on it. It still has a decent amount of tread on it, but it does appear to have some cupping. When I spin the front tire+wheel with the bike on centerstand and weight on the back, it is evident that the front wheel has some wobble to it. I didn't dial indicate it but I'd guess 2-3mm side-to-side. The tire itself also appears to be a bit out of round, and I don't know its current state of balance. Replacing this with a new, balanced tire, might be a good place to start.

Then after reading the FAQ on Woody's site, I examined my back tire/wheel. I just had a brand new Tourance tire put on it before my trip and it was balanced, so I know that much is good. Woodys mentioned that some people complain their rear wheels are out of round even after truing, and it's because the BMW final drives actually wobble on an orbit. So I put the bike on the centerstand and ran it up in first gear to about 15mph. Sure enough, the rear tire/wheel was wobbling around pretty bad and I could see the rear brake rotor moving up and down about 1/8" with respect to the caliper. I could also see the brake caliper moving side to side a bit on its slide pins as a result of sideways wobble in the rotor. Spinning the rear tire with the engine off, the tire spins freely for about 2/3 of a rotation but the brake rotor clearly rubs the brake pad harder for the last third or so. I recently had this rear rotor replaced due to pulsing rear brakes, and it felt similar to this prior to replacement. I rarely use the rear brake, and I am very careful not to accidentally drag it while riding.

So based on all of this, everything seems to be out of round. Front tire, front wheel, and the rear wheel and hub.

The bike is still under warranty so I think I'm just going to take it in, explain that it has uncomfortable vibration on the highway, and ask them to check the runout on the aforementioned items against the maximum allowable specs. If its out of spec, I have to think it would be covered under warranty. Anyone have any experience with this? I'm most troubled by the fact that the entire final drive hub appears to wobble. How is this possible? I'm also curious if all the new bikes on the floor would do the same thing. If any of you reading this get a chance, i'd also like to know if yours does the same when in 1st gear on the centerstand. Is it smooth or does the rear end move around a good bit?

I was hoping it was going to be as simple as a new and balanced front tire, but my investigating makes me think theres a lot of stuff that needs fixing.

Thanks

Jason
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Old 05-10-2010, 08:29 AM   #2
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So I just completed a 650 mile trip on my 07 GSA. After many hours in the saddle I realized that the overall vibration was making the ride quite uncomfortable for me. Specifically, the right hand grip seemed to have about 1/8" of vibration in a down&forward, up&back direction. My right wrist was not happy about the relentless motion. The left grip, curiously, was pretty smooth.

Background:

Bike has 14k miles. My front tire is a Tourance with about 10k miles on it. It still has a decent amount of tread on it, but it does appear to have some cupping. When I spin the front tire+wheel with the bike on centerstand and weight on the back, it is evident that the front wheel has some wobble to it. I didn't dial indicate it but I'd guess 2-3mm side-to-side. The tire itself also appears to be a bit out of round, and I don't know its current state of balance. Replacing this with a new, balanced tire, might be a good place to start.

Then after reading the FAQ on Woody's site, I examined my back tire/wheel. I just had a brand new Tourance tire put on it before my trip and it was balanced, so I know that much is good. Woodys mentioned that some people complain their rear wheels are out of round even after truing, and it's because the BMW final drives actually wobble on an orbit. So I put the bike on the centerstand and ran it up in first gear to about 15mph. Sure enough, the rear tire/wheel was wobbling around pretty bad and I could see the rear brake rotor moving up and down about 1/8" with respect to the caliper. I could also see the brake caliper moving side to side a bit on its slide pins as a result of sideways wobble in the rotor. Spinning the rear tire with the engine off, the tire spins freely for about 2/3 of a rotation but the brake rotor clearly rubs the brake pad harder for the last third or so. I recently had this rear rotor replaced due to pulsing rear brakes, and it felt similar to this prior to replacement. I rarely use the rear brake, and I am very careful not to accidentally drag it while riding.

So based on all of this, everything seems to be out of round. Front tire, front wheel, and the rear wheel and hub.

The bike is still under warranty so I think I'm just going to take it in, explain that it has uncomfortable vibration on the highway, and ask them to check the runout on the aforementioned items against the maximum allowable specs. If its out of spec, I have to think it would be covered under warranty. Anyone have any experience with this? I'm most troubled by the fact that the entire final drive hub appears to wobble. How is this possible? I'm also curious if all the new bikes on the floor would do the same thing. If any of you reading this get a chance, i'd also like to know if yours does the same when in 1st gear on the centerstand. Is it smooth or does the rear end move around a good bit?

I was hoping it was going to be as simple as a new and balanced front tire, but my investigating makes me think theres a lot of stuff that needs fixing.

Thanks

Jason
I'm not able to add nor detract from your assessment, but lest you forget, it has two very big jugs with a short stroke. And, I have these on all of my bikes. BMW BTW all use the SMALL size.



http://www.casporttouring.com/optimi...t/GPSMALL.html

Easy to put on if you don't follow their directions. Better to take some Dawn, Joy, and using your index finger lighly coat the inside of the grip puppies, AND put a decent amount on the flange of the handlebar grip, for easy 'starting'. Then keep working them 'in'. And, they don't interfere with heated grips, tho' takes longer to heat grips. These do a decent job of damping minimum vibration and have the added benefit of keeping original grips like new so that if they ever wear out, just put on a new pair. Good luck, hope you are not being too, too picky on the bike. It's a boxer, don't forget. Good luck.

Take a look at this thread also, perhaps something there can help? Or, reply there too? http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=569489
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:06 PM   #3
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I just got new tires put on on my gs. Statically balanced and all. About 16 5gram weights on the rear wheel. Seemed like a lot. But what do i know, right?

At first, i thought i needed to get used to the heidenau vibrators that were missing. But after a few kms and being sure the slippery sludge was gone i started thinking my rear was wobbly. Too much weight on the back? naah, i saw him balance it; the guy did it right.

A week has passed and i'm now 200% sure my rear is wobbling. I fixed a piece of wood right above/against the tire. And sure enough, the tire seems to be wider on one side than on the other. Somewhere between .5 and 1 cm difference between the high and low. So i guess it's safe to say the tire is out of round? But on a brand new tire?
Should this be covered by warranty?

Thanks for any advice and ideas?
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I've seen plenty of freshly-balanced wheels that were out of balance. Sometimes it's just not done well.
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I've seen plenty of freshly-balanced wheels that were out of balance. Sometimes it's just not done well.
not to mention out of round?
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