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Old 07-10-2010, 11:34 PM   #1
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Butler Maps – motorcycle maps for riders by riders

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We now have a discounted "Bucket List" Collection.
It's every one we make!
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Alaska now shipping!
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We've finished the AZBDR
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Texas Hill Country V3 map now shipping!
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Gift cards now available:
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A limited number of flat unfolded wall maps are now available:
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Current shipping catalog:
http://www.butlermaps.com/Motorcycle-Road-Maps/

-REVER app (premium acct has all of our G-road roads listed) - http://rever.co/
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1023666
-Appalachia (South East)
-Arizona Backcountry Discovery map & DVD
-Colorado V3
-Colorado Backcountry Discovery map & DVD
-Idaho V2
-Idaho Backcountry Discovery map & DVD
-Northern California V1
-Montana V3
-Ozarks V2
-Southern California V2
-Texas Hill Country V3
-Utah V3
-Utah Backcountry Discovery Route map & DVD
-Washington Backcountry Discovery Route map & DVD
-Wyoming V2
-5 State Rocky Mtn. Planner - free w/ package deals only
-Soft case by Wolfman - holds up to 10+ maps

note: all state maps now include dual-sport/ADV routes



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I have joined w/ Justin & Court @ Butler Maps and i am now their online & rally guy among other things. Since we all love maps & bikes and we don't live too far apart, it all clicked. I started a new thread for this purpose and will close out the old one. So.....

Imagine a waterproof & tear-proof motorcycle map that instantly dials you into absolutely THE best paved roads the western states have to offer.

No more buying a generic paper car map, looking at the roads hoping you picked some bike worthy ones & having it tear apart in a few days. No more hours of researching online, asking locals where the best roads are. We have spent 3 years riding and extensively evaluating all of the paved roads in each state. We have developed and patented a 3 tier ranking system that gets you quickly on THE best roads in the state! Now you can use our maps alone to create the ultimate tour & day ride loops.

A few years back we saw a huge need for a high quality motorcycle oriented road map. Looking at a road atlas from the gas station will tell you how to get from point A to B but it won’t tell you which way is the coolest if you’re on two wheels. There are a few companies out there who have attempted to lead us toward good rides, but in our opinion they fall short in the sense that their maps only lead us back to where we started, or leave out some of the best stuff around. What if I you don’t want to loop? Where do you go after the highlighted route is finished? If it’s a trip of a lifetime, you do not want to miss the best roads!

As map geeks, we feel you can never own too many maps. Our state maps compliment any existing printed or GPS maps you already own. Our maps give you the big picture view that is essential for planning. For heavy GPS users, plan with our maps and then have your GPS guide you to those roads. Waypoints are provided in our detail sections.

Part of our passion for motorcycles is the freedom of creativity that is inherent in the riding itself. The problem is you have to ride A LOT of miles to figure out which roads are worth riding again and which ones do a better job of chapping your ass then stoking your soul. We have set out on a monumental project to ride those shitty roads so you don’t have too, unless you’re into that sort of thing -- not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Over the past several years, Court Butler & Justin Bradshaw and have ridden well over 70,000 miles in the mountain states, methodically documenting, via GPS waypoints, every mile so that we can pass the information on to you. What we have come up with, is Butler Maps.



The idea is pretty simple, ride the roads and grade them (down to the exact mile marker) on the riding experience you can expect from that given stretch of pavement. We have developed a rather stringent set of criteria to organize what we have found. A brief summary goes something like this:


G1
These are THE best motorcycle rides! Always very dramatic and thrilling. Expect high mountain passes, deep canyons, sweepers, switchbacks and twisties. They are NOT to be missed!



G2
Only a notch below G1, these are still great motorcycle rides. Expect dramatic scenery, lively roads, and lots of elevation change.

G3
A bit less dramatic than G1 and G2 but still among the best motorcycle miles you will find. Expect wooded canyons, narrow winding roadways, and great scenery. Often G1 sections are bounded by G2 & G3 sections so you are guaranteed miles upon miles of riding pleasure.



I know, I know it’s all so subjective you say! Well, yes it is and we know there are times when we all prefer feet on the highway pegs & cruising along and for those moments we have a fourth delegation of road called the “Lost Highways.” They are few and far in between but they are a completely different motoring experience that we just could not ignore. This is where you can expect the solitude and emptiness of a long narrow road dissecting a desert landscape or prairie dog planet.

Still, we know one man’s trash is another man’s treasure right? Yes it is and we can’t be everything to everybody, but I can tell you we have tried really hard. Cruiser guys, dual sport freaks, dirt racers, hard-core tourers, adventure riders, road racers, and ‘round the worlders’ have all contributed to our quality control and we therefore feel confident that if we tell you its G1 (or a really, really kick ass ride) then there is a good chance you’ll agree with us. We are sticklers about it as there are only 23 G1s in Colorado. I think most of you will be surprised about where some of them are.

So about all those amazing dirt roads? They're on there too. We have featured & highlighted 80 or so easier dual-sport/ADV dirt routes per map (Ozark excepting) that are designed to tour extensively on dirt or mix it up with our rated G roads. No matter what your ride, we will have a map for you!



All our our maps now feature smartphone scan codes and offer Mobil Tour Guides, dealer lists, mileage guides, weather guides, POIs, commercial hot springs and much more.

We are working diligently to get this resource to you. As soon as new maps are printed they will be available at our website: www.butlermaps.com , through various mountain states rallies and hopefully in as many shops and stores around the country as we can convince to carry them. If you would like your local shop to carry them, please have them, contact us.

I hope there will be lots of questions; comments, advice and naysayers. We welcome them all. Thanks for listening. Please, Please, Please keep the conversation going and don't hesitate to tell us what you are thinking. We value any and all opinions. This is an ongoing process for all of us. We will be chatting it up and hopefully spreading the excitement of what we’re confident will be an awesome resource for all of us.

Please check back often as I will posting updates on new map availability and which local shops carry them. I’ll have info on which rallies we will be attending and quickly answering any and all questions you have.

Thanks for looking
Bill Eakins
Butler Maps, Eagle CO
www.butlermaps.com
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Old 07-10-2010, 11:38 PM   #2
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Dealers/stores that carry Butler Maps:
http://www.butlermaps.com/Company/Dealers


If you would like your dealer to carry our maps, please have them contact us through our website or pm me and we'll contact them. if they carry our maps, i'll get you a map for your time!


From a riders point of view, WHY you need a butler map.

Local knowledge without being a local.
Because you want to ride the roads, not spend countless hours on the Internet learning where to find them.
A map shows you A-B, a BM shows you the best motorcycle experiences.
So you NEVER have to ride past a road and wonder?
Because not everybody has years to stumble across the hidden gems that are not found in any blog or magazine.
Because a printed map never cracked or ran out of batteries
Because your $8.00 gas station map falls apart with in hours of folding it into submission to fit in your tank bag.
Because you $8.00 map desintigrates with in minutes of opening it in a light rain storm

A Butler Map is built to last...

Because if its highlighted on the map its a good ride. PERIOD!
We know this because we have ridden every single mile personally. No other company has the first hand knowledge of roads like we do. We have ridden over 150k miles in the western states alone just to gather the info.
With our up & coming Iphone & Android app, GPS downloads and paper map, you have the most comprehensive information data base available to motorcyclists anywhere.
Because is not about the destination its about the journey.
Because BM is innovative and groundbreaking, bringing the digital world (QR scan codes) into the paper world giving users access to more then just roads. It offers the best places to eat, drink, sleep and gather.
Because our maps are cool. (sounds corny but we are, and we want to stay that way)


News & articles

http://www.butlermaps.com/blog/
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Old 07-10-2010, 11:44 PM   #3
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Essentials:

-Benchmark Maps- http://www.benchmarkmaps.com/
We use Benchmark Maps as our basemaps. They are the best state maps.
They offer full road detail that our single page maps cannot provide.
I recommend you bring these along for each state you're traveling in.
I have also included states we do not have maps for yet.

Arizona: Benchmark Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas - 6th edition
California: California Road and Recreation Atlas
Colorado: Colorado Road and Recreation Atlas (Benchmark Maps: Colorado)
Idaho: Idaho Road and Recreation Atlas (Benchmark Maps: Idaho)
Montana: Montana Road and Recreation Atlas
Nevada: Nevada Road and Recreation Atlas (Benchmark Map: Nevada Road & Recreation Atlas)
New Mexico: New Mexico Road and Recreation Atlas (Benchmark Maps: New Mexico)
Oregon: Oregon Road and Recreation Atlas
Utah: Benchmark Utah Road & Recreation Atlas - 4th edition
Washington: Washington Road & Recreation Atlas (Benchmark Map: Washington Road & Recreation Atlas)
Wyoming: Wyoming Road & Recreation Atlas

-Navigation-
Yes we produce paper planning maps but we also all use GPS

GARMIN http://www.garmin.com/us/
Garmin 60CSX Garmin GPSMAP 60CSx Handheld GPS Navigator
Garmin 62S Garmin GPSMAP 62S Handheld GPS Navigator
Garmin 62SC Garmin GPSMAP 62sc Handheld Navigator
Garmin 62STC Garmin GPSMAP 62stc Handheld Navigator
Garmin 76CSX Garmin GPS 76CSX Handheld GPS with Barometric Altimeter and Electronic Compass
Garmin 78S Garmin GPSMAP 78S 010-00864-01 Marine GPS Navigator and World Wide Chartplotter
Garmin 78SC Garmin GPSMAP 78sc 2.6-Inch Waterproof Marine GPS and Chartplotter
Garmin Nuvi 500 Garmin nüvi 500 3.5-Inch Portable GPS Navigator
Garmin Nuvi 550 Garmin nüvi 550 3.5-Inch Portable GPS Navigator
Garmin Zumo 220 Garmin zumo 220 3.5-Inch Bluetooth Motorcycle GPS Navigator
Garmin Zumo 550 Garmin Zumo 550 3.5-Inch Portable GPS Navigator
Garmin Zumo 660 Garmin zumo 660 4.3-Inch Portable GPS Motorcycle Navigator
Garmin Zumo 665 Garmin zumo 665 Widescreen Motorcyle Navigator
Garmin Montana 600 Garmin Montana 600 Waterproof Hiking GPS
Garmin Montana 650 Garmin Montana 650 Waterproof Hiking GPS with 5 Megapixel Camera
Garmin Montana 650T Garmin Montana 650t Waterproof Hiking GPS with TOPO U.S. 100K and 5 Megapixel Camera

-Books, Guides & DVDs-

RIDING WELL

Dualsport riding http://dualsportriding.com/
The Essential Guide to Dual Sport Motorcycling: Everything You Need to Buy, Ride, and Enjoy the World's Most Versatile Motorcycles
Adventure Riding Techniques: The Essential Guide to All the Skills You Need for Off-Road Adventure Riding
Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well
More Proficient Motorcycling: Mastering the Ride
The Motorcycle Safety Foundation's Guide to Motorcycling Excellence: Skills, Knowledge, and Strategies for Riding Right (2nd Edition)
Total Control: High Performance Street Riding Techniques
Sport Riding Techniques: How To Develop Real World Skills for Speed, Safety, and Confidence on the Street and Track
Twist of the Wrist: The Motorcycle Roadracers Handbook (Vol 1)
A Twist of the Wrist 2: The Basics of High-Performance Motorcycle Riding
The Upper Half of the Motorcycle: On the Unity of Rider and Machine
Pro Motocross & Off-Road Riding Techniques
Motorcycle Dynamics (Second Edition)

TOURING

Motorcycle Touring: Everything You Need to Know
The Essential Guide to Motorcycle Travel: Tips, Technology, Advanced Techniques
Motorcycle Camping Made Easy
Adventure Motorcycling Handbook, 5th: Worldwide Motorcycling Route & Planning Guide (Trailblazer)
Going the Extra Mile: Insider Tips for Long-Distance Motorcycling and Endurance Rallies
Building the Ultimate Adventure Motorcycle: The Essential Guide to Preparing a Bike for the Journey of a Lifetime
Adventure Motorcycling: Everything You Need to Plan and Complete the Journey of a Lifetime
World's Great Adventure Motorcycle Routes: The Essential Guide to the Greatest Motorcycle Journeys in the World
Adventure Motorcycling Handbook, 6th: Worldwide Motorcycling Route & Planning Guide
Great American Motorcycle Tours
Planet Earth's Greatest Motorcycle Adventure Tours

REPAIR & MAINTENANCE

How to Set Up Your Motorcycle Workshop: Tips and Tricks for Building and Equipping Your Dream Workshop (Whitehorse Tech)
Adventure Motorcycle Maintenance: The Essential Guide to All the Skills Needed to Maintain and Prepare a Modern Adventure Motorcycle
The Essential Guide to Motorcycle Maintenance: Tips & Techniques to Keep Your Motorcycle in Top Condition
Motorcycle Basics Techbook (2nd edition) (Haynes Manuals)
How to Repair Your Motorcycle (Motorbooks Workshop)
How to Restore Your Motorcycle: Second Edition (Motorbooks Workshop)
Motorcycle Electrical Systems: Troubleshooting and Repair (Motorbooks Workshop)
Motocross and Off-Road Motorcycle Setup Guide (Motorbooks Workshop)
Four-Stroke Motocross and Off-Road Performance Handbook (Motorbooks Workshop)
Dual Sport Suspension Ebook http://dualsportriding.com/shop/inde...&products_id=7
Race Tech's Motorcycle Suspension Bible (Motorbooks Workshop)
Sportbike Suspension Tuning

TRAVEL GUIDES & OTHER MAPS

Colorado:
Guide to Colorado Backroads & 4-Wheel-Drive Trails, 3rd Edition
Backcountry Adventures Colorado
Colorado Trails Central Region: Backroads & 4-Wheel Drive Trails
Colorado Trails Front Range Region: Backroads & 4-Wheel Drive Trails
Colorado Trails Southwest Region
Colorado Byways (Backcountry Byways)
Backroads & Byways of Colorado: Drives, Day Trips & Weekend Excursions
John Fielder's Best of Colorado (2nd Edition)
Latitude 40 maps http://latitude40maps.com/
Forest Service & Maps http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/map/...shtml#Colorado
Downloadable Motor Vehicle Use Maps http://www.staythetrail.org/mvum/

more to follow
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Hello everybody, we are very excited to have Bill on board to help with our online communications and presence at rallies and events. The feed back and input from customers and dealers so far has been exceptional and we are quickly out growing the three man operation that has gotten us to where we are now.

As Bill mentioned we are working as hard as we can to get the maps into the hands of riders and are adding dealers daily.

In conjunction to the list above we have added
Hi Point motor sports in Glenwood Springs

Also keep an eye out in your favorite catalogs including Touratech and Aerostich.

Thanks for your interest and keep us informed of your experiences with our maps.
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My wife ordered and we just received the CO and UT maps. They are excellent!!!!

In my opinion, a must have for any rider. Can not wait for the dual-sport versions.
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My wife ordered and we just received the CO and UT maps. They are excellent!!!!

In my opinion, a must have for any rider. Can not wait for the dual-sport versions.
thanks!
we strive to get them in people's hands quickly after you order.

we've talked ALOT about the DS version.
as you know there are soooo many more dirt routes in colo vrs. paved ones it's gonna take awhile for us to do it right. because of the detail needed, we'll break the state up into quandrants so the base maps can be zoomed in. i'll keep ya updated on how it's going. we'll also be asking for recomendations on your DS favs when the time comes as the volume of possibilities is unreal.

also in the works are nor cal, az and nm, but first we must work and get so cal, mt & wy maps out. id is done from the printer and will be at the rallies and online soon.

the reason i joined w/ Butler is so justin & court can get out those new maps as quick as possible (while still taking the time to do it right) while i handle other things. exciting times!
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John will have colo Butler Maps at the Rocky Mtn. Adv Rally for all to check out and you possibly win as door prize.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=513600

thanks john for putting this together.
everyone have fun.
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Duke (Hayduke) will soon have co. & ut. maps at Fattees in Salida, Co. http://www.fattees-printing.com/. he's heading up to westfest in mt. so it will be a little bit. if you're in the area stop by his shop for some ADV gear http://fattees-printing.com/advrider/ and a co. or ut. Butler Map.

thanks, duke
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Will and can deviate coming back depending on loads and locations.
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....Wow...nice mappage! I didn't know these existed.
Excellent website as well. Is there a page that shows actual map detail?
I'm curious how well these can be used for dualsport riding, trails, forestry, et al...
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....Wow...nice mappage! I didn't know these existed.
Excellent website as well. Is there a page that shows actual map detail?
I'm curious how well these can be used for dualsport riding, trails, forestry, et al...
ricky,
thanks! these maps are currently focused on paved roads and specificly to point out the best ones. we have a dual sport map planned, starting with colorado, but that will not happen till next summer. we are about to release our so cal. map and then continue to work on nor cal. this fall.

detail here:
http://butlermaps.com/Motorcycle-Road-Maps/1/Colorado
this is a shot of our G1 (the best of the best) detail box.
each G1 road on the main map has a coresponding larger detail map.
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I have the SoCal map and its just stuffed with info. Most of which I already knew but still cool anways. But, because there is so much stuff, its very hard to read and impossible to use in your map case if your riding. You basically have to lay it out on a scanner/printer and reprint the sections you want and magnify the route. Its unreadable with riding with my reasonably good 42yr old eye sight..
But, other than that. Its cool.
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I have the SoCal map and its just stuffed with info. Most of which I already knew but still cool anways. But, because there is so much stuff, its very hard to read and impossible to use in your map case if your riding. You basically have to lay it out on a scanner/printer and reprint the sections you want and magnify the route. Its unreadable with riding with my reasonably good 42yr old eye sight..
But, other than that. Its cool.
guess you could also see it that your lucky to live a place with THAT many great roads. it's really a must do area for any street rider. nor cal will have just as many great roads and probably even more.

i do agree there is ALOT of detail we needed to pack in there, more than any other map to date. it took alot longer to produce this map. we did the best we could breaking the state up into 2 pieces. we felt 2 was ideal for what we planned to achieve.

don't forget the best of the best roads (G1) have additional larger blow-up detail boxes so we have maxed out details. glad you enjoy what we've done and i hope you find some new roads that need exploring.

thanks, bill
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You could have made that map 5'x5' and i'd still have eye trouble. we do have a lot of great roads. I WILL BE BUYING YOUR NORCAL MAP
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guess you could also see it that your lucky to live a place with THAT many great roads. it's really a must do area for any street rider. nor cal will have just as many great roads and probably even more.

i do agree there is ALOT of detail we needed to pack in there, more than any other map to date. it took alot longer to produce this map. we did the best we could breaking the state up into 2 pieces. we felt 2 was ideal for what we planned to achieve.

don't forget the best of the best roads (G1) have additional larger blow-up detail boxes so we have maxed out details. glad you enjoy what we've done and i hope you find some new roads that need exploring.

thanks, bill

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