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Old 11-02-2010, 11:14 PM   #1
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Tubeless spoke wheels for F800GS

Hi

Is there any inmates using tubeless spoke wheels on F800GS?

What make is the wheels?

Any significant advantage tube vs tubeless vice versa?

Do U have pics of it?

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Old 11-03-2010, 03:21 PM   #2
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Hi.
I personally have not gone down that road. But here is a thread which talks about it somewhat.
I'd much prefer a 1200GS-like design rather than just sealed nipples. But it's a start.

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Old 11-03-2010, 08:21 PM   #3
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You could sent your wheels to Woody and have him lace a set of HP2 rims to them.
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Old 11-04-2010, 12:47 PM   #4
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Woody has laced a Exel Takasago rim to an 800 hub for me and made it tubeless.
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Old 11-04-2010, 01:56 PM   #5
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You could sent your wheels to Woody and have him lace a set of HP2 rims to them.
Is there a Paul Harvey moment here T...does Woody do this for the F8?
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Old 11-04-2010, 02:01 PM   #6
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Is there a Paul Harvey moment here T...does Woody do this for the F8?
He can do anything when it comes to wheels. The HP2 rims are the only 21"/17" combo I know of that that are cross spoked which is the best way to go tubeless with a spoked wheel.
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:23 PM   #7
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He can do anything when it comes to wheels. The HP2 rims are the only 21"/17" combo I know of that that are cross spoked which is the best way to go tubeless with a spoked wheel.
The question though is, will they work with the 800 hubs. I've been wanting to go to the cross spoke wheels too for the tublessnessbessmess I hadn't considered the HP2 rims. I figured perhaps a rim from an older airhead GS for the front 21" and a newer oil/hexhead rear 17" rim might work, but the big question on getting the spokes and hubs to match is the uncertainty.
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:54 PM   #8
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The question though is, will they work with the 800 hubs. I've been wanting to go to the cross spoke wheels too for the tublessnessbessmess I hadn't considered the HP2 rims. I figured perhaps a rim from an older airhead GS for the front 21" and a newer oil/hexhead rear 17" rim might work, but the big question on getting the spokes and hubs to match is the uncertainty.
I don't see any reason whatever why the HP2 rims would not lace right up. What are you worried about - the spokes clearing the rotors or perhaps the rear sprocket?
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Old 12-27-2010, 12:30 PM   #9
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a few observations and clarifications...

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He can do anything when it comes to wheels. The HP2 rims are the only 21"/17" combo I know of that that are cross spoked which is the best way to go tubeless with a spoked wheel.
well ALMOST anything,,,FYI ...BWOE,,,i have not yet been able to use mismatched rim and hubs,,,ie 36 hole hubs with 40 hole rims or vice versa....another thing is using radically mis-matched angles between rim/hub

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][/COLOR]He can do anything when it comes to wheels. The HP2 rims are the only 21"/17" combo I know of that that are cross spoked which is the best way to go tubeless with a spoked wheel.
FYI,,the HP2 a fun ''parts-bin'' bike uses the same rim combo as their R100GS and GS/PD laced onto R1200GS hubs [the front having it's right side brake mounting lugs machined off]

FYI....all BMW wire wheels in recent time are derived from 3 basic rim width extrusion dies which get rolled into these available diameters:
1.85'' x21
2.5'' x 17 and 18 and 19
4.0'' x15 and 17

Hence i've figured out that these can be x-laced/swapped to any front or rear x-laced hub

BWOE,,,,common swaps are going from 19'' front to 21'' on all the GSs,,,going from 2.5x17 to 2.5x18 on the rear of HP2s for better rear tire selection and handling ,,,,then there's reverting from 21'' front to 19'' on all the HP2s and R100GS & GS/PDs for better on road performance

FYI,,,the rear F800GS can be made tubeless using known and reliable sealing techniques,,or the Alpina 'O'ring seal system or by using genuine x-laced technology ala transforming/marrying Aprillia CapoNord rims onto Billet hubs,,,OBTW only available in 2.5x19/4.0x17,,,, in this case the oem hubs do not lend themselves to the conversion because the indexing and spoke angles aren't compatible

some comments on a variety of posts...

there are more than 50 sets of KTM 640/690,,,950/990,,,bmw F800GS CapoNord conversions out there trouble free and not one save the prototype has been back for truing,,and that one was actually within specs [analysis revealed the same shoddy manually trimmed /ground weld area divots found on most BMW x-laced wheels..of course made by the same company=Behr]

earlier the discussion centered on how much simpler just putting a tube in to your punctured tire was as good as putting in a plug on a tubeless tire... yes i've seen folks run on a plug as well those who continue with a new tube in their tires....i've also seen more blowouts caused by the tube being eaten/chafed in the spot where the nail came through as well as leaks coming from the plugged hole...

all the tech literature and my common sense/experience speak the mantra of putting a T-patch into the nail hole of your TT tire to prevent your tube from chaffing and having a blowout and swapping your plug for a T-patch in your TL tire....IMHO,,the T-patch is a superior and permanent Rx .... you not only physically patch AND plug the hole you also provide a smooth surface for your tube to rest against.

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Old 12-28-2010, 12:56 AM   #10
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Guys, DID makes tubeless rims, they are called 'easy tubeless' and they work really well. In 17" size they do come in 3.5 and 5.0, maybe 5.5 too.

I am running the 5.0 on my SE and does not leak any air for the last month.
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