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Old 11-18-2010, 09:00 PM   #1
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For all Fuel Injection technical questions and conversation, you are in the right place!

To place an order go to: The IICE Air Vendors Thread.

To see the Customer Order List go to: Build and Shipping Schedule.
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What the heck is an IICE Air and IICE Cool?

I've been working on a series of enhancements to make the fuel injected BMW motors run smoother and better. It's the first of a series of hot rod products and mods that I've been developing, for quite some time now.

For the first device, I figured out a mod that will work under all operating conditions, will work for every rider, and it's user adjustable.

For the past 25 years I've worked as a designer of Industrial and Automotive electronics. I know what it takes to make a motor run properly, and I know what must be changed for the motor to pass EPA.

Because of my understanding of combustion, and experience with the firmware algorithms that EFI systems use to operate, I know how to optimize and tailor the various inputs or sensors to the EFI to make the boxer motor run better, to make them run the way they are supposed to.

When I first rode the bike in stock, electronically unmodified form, it was apparent what should be done to make it run correctly. There were 3 choices, remove the Motronic ECU and start from scratch, replace it with an aftermarket EFI system, or achieve 80-90% of the needed changes using only external modifications.

These external improvements to the EFI are designed as a series of individual devices that work together to produce the desired results. They are added one at a time to enable the engine to run smoothly and with authority.

Because of our common desire to make the boxer motor run really well, John (johnjen) and I have worked together to figure out how we can offer these hot rod part enhancements to the rest of the GS community.

This thread is meant to examine the specific features of these devices, and their development.

The IICE Air is available for purchase in the Vendors forum:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667661

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TABLE OF CONTENTS - Links to informative posts

TESTIMONIALS
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post18263447
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post18255709
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post18256286
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post18256797
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...0#post16326520
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post16327069
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post16818263
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...0#post16988700
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post16960167
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post16928799
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post17176299
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post17193219
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...8#post17198538
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...2#post17200622
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post17200716
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...2#post17265572
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...8#post17266028
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post17267063
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...4#post17323524
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post17434047
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...8#post17436418
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post17446156
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post17495773
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post18050033
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...0#post17739830
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post18176949
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post19227919 10,000 Mile Report
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post19138173K Bike Report K1200
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...8#post19301158
04-15-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post21194469
04-21-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...4#post21238924
04-22-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post21246827
04-24-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...8#post21255528
04-30-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...2#post21302332
04-30-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...5#post21303575
04-30-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...2#post21305322
05-08-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...8#post21363498
07-19-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post21905587
07-20-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post21913207
07-22-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post21923656
07-25-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...1#post21948571
07-28-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...2#post21969602
08-06-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...4#post22041834
08-06-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post22043943
08-08-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...8#post22060598
08-20-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post22138266
08-23-2013 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...0#post22168420

How does Fuel Injection work? - Recommended reading!
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post14632057

How do the IICE Air and IICE Cool products work?
How do they make my motor run better?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post14649263
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...4#post17413094
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post15425676

Specifically, what the IICE Air does:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15404359

What do the temperature offsets mean?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15436575

How easy are they to install?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14696928

Installation of IICE Air on R1100/R1150 (Thanks to kandersn)
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...0#post18272500

Installation of IICE Air on R1200 (Thanks to Geoffster and bracky72 and Wallowa)
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...4#post16317774
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post18401396
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post18483559

Installation of IICE Air on F650/F800 Twins (Thanks to DidYouSeeThat)
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...1#post17433341
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...2#post17433382

Adjust the IICE Air jumper settings:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post16533527
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post15467636
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post15467657
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post14710763
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post17439519

The IICE Air works by itself, and in combination with future products:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post14688703

How do the IICE Air and IICE Cool and future products work together?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post15418006

Do I need to have an IICE Air installed in order use the upcoming IICE Cool?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...0#post17736870

I already have a Booster Plug or similar product, what do I do?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15429156
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15462270

Comparison between IICE Air and Booster Plug, Accelerator, etc.:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=1552

Does the location of the sensor make a difference?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15438749

Here's what BoosterPlug says about sensor location:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=18

More on sensor location:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15452060
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15453444

IICE, and the Power Commander:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15425676

Will the IICE products affect my mileage?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16864890

Links to additional informative and technical posts:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14561021
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14561510
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14576564
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14592649
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14595811
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14614961
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14632057
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14649263
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14651308
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14651773
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14660939
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14665885
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14665999
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14763373
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14835208
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14850861
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...3#post17445763 Gear ratio not the issue
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...6#post17476406 Throttle-by-wire


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Old 11-18-2010, 09:23 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Poolside
I've been working on a series of enhancements to make the boxer motor on the GS run smoother and better. It's the first of a series of hot rod products and mods that I've been developing, for quite some time now.

For the first device, I figured out a mod that will work under all operating conditions, will work for every rider, and it's user adjustable.

For the past 25 years I've worked as a designer of Industrial and Automotive electronics. I know what it takes to make a motor run properly, and I know what must be changed for the motor to pass EPA.

Because of my understanding of combustion, and experience with the firmware algorithms that EFI systems use to operate, I know how to optimize and tailor the various inputs or sensors to the EFI to make the boxer motor run better, to make them run the way they are supposed to.

When I first rode the bike in stock, electronically unmodified form, it was apparent what should be done to make it run correctly. There were 3 choices, remove the Motronic ECU and start from scratch, replace it with an aftermarket EFI system, or achieve 80-90% of the needed changes using only external modifications.

These external improvements to the EFI are designed as a series of individual devices that work together to produce the desired results. They are added one at a time to enable the engine to run smoothly and with authority.

Because of our common desire to make the boxer motor run really well, John (johnjen) and I have worked together to figure out how we can offer these hot rod part enhancements to the rest of the GS community.

The first one is in the final stages of development, and we will announce its availability and subsequent details in the Vendors forum when it is ready. For now this thread is meant to examine the specific features of the devices themselves.

- Jim


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PS Can I make a DVD for the install?
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Heh heh. I'd be honored. Cheers.


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Heh heh. I'd be honored. Cheers.
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Originally Posted by Poolside
I've been working on a series of enhancements to make the boxer motor on the GS run smoother and better. It's the first of a series of hot rod products and mods that I've been developing, for quite some time now.

For the first device, I figured out a mod that will work under all operating conditions, will work for every rider, and it's user adjustable.

For the past 25 years I've worked as a designer of Industrial and Automotive electronics. I know what it takes to make a motor run properly, and I know what must be changed for the motor to pass EPA.

Because of my understanding of combustion, and experience with the firmware algorithms that EFI systems use to operate, I know how to optimize and tailor the various inputs or sensors to the EFI to make the boxer motor run better, to make them run the way they are supposed to.

When I first rode the bike in stock, electronically unmodified form, it was apparent what should be done to make it run correctly. There were 3 choices, remove the Motronic ECU and start from scratch, replace it with an aftermarket EFI system, or achieve 80-90% of the needed changes using only external modifications.

These external improvements to the EFI are designed as a series of individual devices that work together to produce the desired results. They are added one at a time to enable the engine to run smoothly and with authority.

Because of our common desire to make the boxer motor run really well, John (johnjen) and I have worked together to figure out how we can offer these hot rod part enhancements to the rest of the GS community.

The first one is in the final stages of development, and we will announce its availability and subsequent details in the Vendors forum when it is ready. For now this thread is meant to examine the specific features of the devices themselves.

- Jim
We need more details, please. What is it you want to improve? More power? Wider powerband?

A good tuner already have the tools to accomplish great results by using new camshafts, pistons, powercommander etc.

Example:
R1200GS 04'-07',
stock rwhp 82, max torque 96nm
tuned rwhp 115, max torque 119nm

Quite impressive, don't you think? It's not cheap, though. And involves installing new Wössner pistons, M-Tec cams, modyfying the intake snorkel, KN filter, PCIII, Acrapovic 2-1-2 full system.
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I don't have anything to add to this thread but I wanted to post just to express my interest in the work at hand. Very cool.
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I find that adjusting the valves to any given clearance isn't that hard.
Getting those pesky wires to pull equally, also as they are pulled upon, is not at all easy. If possible at all.

How will misalignment here influence the end result?
I guess the question is: More or less than today.

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Quote:
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...I do think tweaking the injection and calling it "hot rodding" is a bit misleading.

The results of fine tuning the mapping are going to be a smoother engine and maybe a bit more power via a better mixture.

IMO, hot rodding is about increasing the engine's volumetric efficiency through weight reduction...
No way, SS. A misleading title would be, "Making Your Crank Bigger" or "Stroking Your Crank" or something like that. 

Anyway, I came up with the title because that's what a performance mod is, hodrodding.

It isn't difficult to imagine that Volumetric Efficiency (VE) is of no, or even negative consequence, without matched fueling.

For example, filling in the gaps in fueling precision on a stock motor represents a greater performance increase than a header and silencer say. The total improvement to performance across the operating range of the motor (throttle angle and RPM), and over the operating states of the motor, exceeds the improvement of a header and silencer by several times.


p.s.: Regarding your other comment, I don't have any reference for VE improvements through weight reduction.


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Well, I agree with you to some degree that tweaking the injection mapping could change the performance as much as a GOOD header and silencer combo on an otherwise stock motor. By several times? That all depends on the exhaust system. I think that might be a pretty good comparison. The differences are pretty subtle.

I also agree with you that some people call putting a louder can on their bike hot rodding their bike but then a lot of us don't.

But hey! If you can get the surging to go away on surgers without running the things overly rich and get a tad more performance out of them, GREAT! If I buy the stuff to put on peoples bikes, I am going to call it fine tuning their GS. That way they won't come back and say that it is running smoother but other than that they can't tell any difference and they want their money back. It's kind of like when I install an exhaust system that costs a fortune. I warn the customer that despite all the HP claims and whatnot, the biggest noticeable difference is going to be the noise level.
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