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Old 01-10-2011, 07:33 PM   #1
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Malfunctioning F800GS

We are currently in Trujillo, Peru having trouble with both of our F800GSs. We were driving on the highway and both our bikes felt underpowered. There was also a weird ticking noise on hard throttle openings (like passing a truck). We had recently filled up with gas in a small town so we thought that maybe the gas was bad. We were in the middle of the desert so we put our spare (presumably good) gas into the tanks to try and dilute the bad gas. This seemed to improve the situation a bit but it did not fix it. We got the bikes to a safe location where we are currently staying.

the bikes sound terrible and now stall or have troubles starting. We checked the air filter and in the compartment there was a bit of oil. We cleaned that up and replaced the air filter. the bikes still sound terrible and the oil has returned after taking the bike for a short spin.

As far as we know there is no BMW dealer in Peru and we are worried about driving our bikes anywhere and doing further damage. We are also worried about letting some random mechanic here start stripping the bikes if the problem runs deep. No warning lights are on and both bikes are acting up in similar ways. Any ideas?

Summary of issues:
Underpowered
Oil in air box
difficult to start
stalling
Generally sounding like sh*t
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:39 PM   #2
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Shitty fuel.
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:53 PM   #3
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yes, sounds like bad fuel. Seeing as its both bikes........
before you have anyone pull the bikes apart, drain the tanks and put in fresh fuel. Will most likely solve your problems
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:04 PM   #4
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Also, try to find a fuel injection system cleaner such as Seafoam or Techron. If Trujillo is a big enough city, you ought to be able to find something.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:02 PM   #5
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If this is happening exactly the same to two separate bikes, then I agree - bad gas. Drain the tank completely and replace gas from different source would be a guess.


The odds of two bikes having the same failure without outside influence are slim.... I'm sure you know that.

what's your altitude?


I'm going to a good BMW dealer first thing AM anyways, and will show a tech your post... will see what they say and let you know.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:05 PM   #6
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Sounds like fuel two bikes at the same time. I agree with everyone drain the fuel tanks and put in good gas.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:09 PM   #7
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I'm not one to attribute every mechanical malady to bad gas, but it sure sounds like you got a batch if it happened soon after a fill-up and both bikes have similar symptoms. The culprit could be water or low octane fuel (pinging might be what you're hearing on hard throttle) or something other than gasoline came along in your last fill-up. My guess is that your 'fuel' was diluted/contaminated with something cheaper. Since you're near sea level the bikes will want high-octane fuel to prevent pinging.

Your best bet is to empty the tanks and re-fill with the best available fuel. I'd do one bike at a time in case the local gas is worse, but you're in a large city, so good gas shouldn't be hard to find. I can't explain the oil in the air filter, unless it's been regurgitated from the crankcase by the poor running engines. I don't know the GS8 configuration that well, but my former KLRs and my DR-Z pass oil fumes into the airbox to be burned, and if something's amiss I've found oil in there.

Next, find all the auto parts stores you can and look for Seafoam. Their website doesn't list dealers in South America, but Pep Boys, Kragen/O'reilly, Ace Hardware, Checkers, CarQuest and Napa all carry it in the US. Get a couple cans for each bike and dose regularly to keep problems at bay.

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Old 02-19-2011, 03:20 PM   #8
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Old 02-19-2011, 07:06 PM   #9
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Octane boost?

I've been poking around for some "real" reviews of octane boosters ...

So far these two lead the way, and Outlaw SC (Super Concentrate) appears to be cheaper ... 3.x extra points of octane could save some engines perhaps?

I don't mean to hijack the thread ...

http://volvospeed.com/Review/misc_performance_volvo_reviews/lucas_octane_booster.html

When mixed in a 100:1 ratio of fuel to additive the Lucas Octane Boosted averaged a RON reading of 101.4 and a MON rating of 91.8. Giving Lucas in a concentration of 100:1 an AKI of 96.6 when mixed with 93 pump fuel. With a ratio of 100:1 this make Lucas the most concentrated additive.

When used an a concentration of 50:1 103.1 RON was achieved with a MON of 93.5 giving it a AKI of 98.4.

To date Lucas octane booster is the only booster tested that had significant results with only one bottle in the tank. One bottle is enough to make 10 gallons of 96.6 octane out of 93.


http://volvospeed.com/Review/misc_performance_volvo_reviews/outlaw_octane_booster.html


When mixed in a 80:1 ratio of fuel to additive the Outlaw averaged a RON reading of 101.2 and a MON rating of 91.4. Giving Outlaw in a concentration of 80:1 an AKI of 96.3 when mixed with 93 pump fuel. Give the lean additive fuel ratio, this is impressive for a 9 dollar bottle of commonly available octane booster.

When used an a concentration of 40:1, over the recommended maximum, 102.2 RON was achieved with a MON of 92.1 giving it a AKI of 97.15.



(Hopefully either would do at least as well at boosting the octane of crappy fuel....)
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:17 PM   #10
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We are currently in Trujillo, Peru having trouble with both of our F800GSs.
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As far as we know there is no BMW dealer in Peru and we are worried about driving our bikes anywhere and doing further damage.
And if it ain't the gas...try the Peru dealer

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Old 01-10-2011, 11:58 PM   #11
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My vote is on low octane. If it were debris or gunking, it would be a hell of a coincidence for it to affect both bikes simultaneously. Water, which sits at the bottom of the tank, gives you an instant (and most likely permanent) engine stall.

Although I love my 800, a bike with a thirst for 95RON (or 91 if you had the dealer adjust it for that) can be a liability in the second and third world, where fuel is often considerably lower than that.

Low octane gives you funny noises under load (pinging / detonation), shit power, and the engine will struggle so much to adjust the ratio right you'll get either massive exhaust overheat or thick palls of smoke out the back (depending which way it goes with mixture to try and compensate).
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:57 AM   #12
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Why would there be oil in the airboxes though?
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:46 AM   #13
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I'm not 100% sure but I would think that the F8 has a similar scavenging/PCV circuit as any modern, emissions regulated motor does.

I'm working overseas right now so I can't check mine, but I would bet that (to differing degrees of course) most F8's will have some sort of oil residue in the airbox.

I'd be more worried about fixing the sputtering and stalling first, then keep an eye on the oil levels after it was running correctly.

Hope you get it sorted out - my money is on bad fuel as well.

Just my $0.02.
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Old 01-11-2011, 07:32 AM   #14
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what's your altitude?
Trujillio is at sea level.

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I'm not one to attribute every mechanical malady to bad gas, but it sure sounds like you got a batch if it happened soon after a fill-up and both bikes have similar symptoms. The culprit could be water or low octane fuel (pinging might be what you're hearing on hard throttle) or something other than gasoline came along in your last fill-up. My guess is that your 'fuel' was diluted/contaminated with something cheaper. Since you're near sea level the bikes will want high-octane fuel to prevent pinging.
^^^^ + 1 on that. Drain the tanks, refill, add octain boost.
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Old 01-11-2011, 07:38 AM   #15
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Why would there be oil in the airboxes though?
Pre ignition can cause exsive oil in the air box caused by low octane fuel on heavy loads.
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