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Old 04-20-2011, 08:50 AM   #1
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had to "lay it down!"

The lady who cuts my hair asked me if I ride my motorcycle much (since I rode it to the shop and it was "only" 50 degrees outside). I responded yes, and she informed me her husband rides a Harley. I tell her that's nice, but she goes on to state he only rides on Saturday afternoons in perfect weather, and then in the country. No big deal to me, do what you want, right? But then she gives me his riding wisdom, which amounts to having the ability to lay it down on a moments notice. he has, apparently, "laid her down" numerous times! She asked if I had ever done that? I truthfully told her I prefer to keep leaning, steering, gassing, braking, whatever to avoid the wreck til I have no other options. She thought I was talking out of my ass, so I shut up (she did have shears in her hand).
is this a common riding technique, to just give up and bail off? Guess I been doing it wrong for the past 30 years..
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:54 AM   #2
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is this a common riding technique, to just give up and bail off? Guess I been doing it wrong for the past 30 years..
Yes, all the best riders do it. Give it a try sometime.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:59 AM   #3
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is this a common riding technique, to just give up and bail off? Guess I been doing it wrong for the past 30 years..

Ever watch CHiPs?

Even the modern version. most of our "motos" out here are barely capable of riding a desk chair.

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Old 04-20-2011, 09:03 AM   #4
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I think the technique should be applied to cages as well.

1. give up
2. open door
3. jump out

Problem solved!
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:09 AM   #5
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Last week I had a guy talking to me when he found out I ride. I was talking how I've had 3 people (now 4, careful out there guys) pull out in front of me, even with my hi-viz gear on. He started saying how sometimes you just have to lay it down and how he used to ride like 20 years ago. I told him IMO there are vary rare instances where you'll have to lay it down. You should be scanning, anticipating, have an escape route planned and enough training to know how to handle each scenario. He kind of shut up then. I wonder if laying it down is something they used to teach.
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Old 04-24-2011, 07:25 AM   #6
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I wonder if laying it down is something they used to teach.
Somebody told me that the British police used to teach that back in the 20's - but by the 30's it was an obsolete technique as front brakes had improved to the point where staying upright and braking was a more effective approach to emergency stopping They continued to teach it for another forty years but it had morphed into more of a "how to crash safely (!)" skill.
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Old 04-24-2011, 02:22 PM   #7
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The last two times I "laid it down" was due to a go kart cutting across in front of me (figure 8 kart races in a friends backyard) and trying to ride beyond my skill level. But, in both cases I was on the brakes and on the bike until the end. IMHO departing yourself from the bike is a big no-no, as you give up any control you have.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:12 AM   #8
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Awesome.

Another thinly disguised Harley bashing thread.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:17 AM   #9
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Awesome.

Another thinly disguised Harley bashing thread.
It's not there yet. I'd give it a little bit more time. Maybe jiggle the bait a bit more. By the time I get back, it'll probably have a chaps reference and maybe a few pics.




(but I do love the "had to lay it down" meme since I've got a friend who firmly believes it's Good Technique -- and he doesn't ride a HD)
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:39 AM   #10
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I've gone on two poker runs in my 12 years of riding and both times, the stops were pretty much a bunch of cruiser riders (not necessarily HD) drinking, talking about their latest piece of chrome they installed, and "I laid her down" stories.

It was actually somewhat entertaining due to the one-upmanship taking place:

Rider 1: One day I out on my Virago at night and out came a couple deer and I had to lay her down.

Rider 2: I was coming around a blind corner on my Shadow and there was a farmer on a tractor going 3 mph and I had to lay her down. I broke my right leg in five spots and had to have my knee fused into one position. Luckily, I have forwards now so my leg can stay straight.

Rider 3: Just after 'Nam, I was riding my red, white and blue '72 Super Glide to a Iron Butterfly concert in Spokane. I had her wide open through Montana and as I came up on a stop light on a rural highway I thought I could make it through the yellow.....that's when I realized the Catholic school bus at the light was going to come across the intersection so I laid her down to save the nuns and children from my 700lbs of American iron. The EMTs patched me up and the only thing broken on the Superglide was my front brake handle which was cool because I only use my rear brake. Anyhow, I still made it on time and Ron Bushy was so messed up he forgot the drum solo during Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida....I was bummed.
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:58 PM   #11
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. By the time I get back, it'll probably have a chaps reference and maybe a few pics.
You know that "laying in down" in those chaps will wear a hole in the seat of your britches? Oh, and no pics......there ya happy?
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:21 AM   #12
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Awesome.

Another thinly disguised Harley bashing thread.



Is not.


It's a "Lay'n 'er down" bashing thread.


I've laid 'er down a couple times but not because I had to.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:36 AM   #13
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I used to work with a older dude (hes 70 now) and he had been riding since he was 16 on the street. He told me that the lay it down thing used to be common wisdom when brakes on bikes sucked. You drop the bike and give yourself a buffer zone between you and whatever. But he told me with any bike made in the last 25 years youre better off staying on the tires now that bike brakes work like they ought to.
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Old 04-20-2011, 10:08 AM   #14
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Awesome.

Another thinly disguised Harley bashing thread.
Actually I see it as once again pointing out there was a time when a poorly trained rider thought "laying it down" was an effective crash avoidance technique.

You however have inferred that the mount of choice for such riders is a Harley Davidson, ergo you infer that owners of Harley Davidson motorcycles are poorly trained riders, or simply can't ride well enough to have any strategy but "laying it down."

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Old 04-20-2011, 10:18 AM   #15
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or simply can't ride well enough to have any strategy but "laying it down."
Are you telling me there is another strategy besides laying it down? WOW. I will have to look into this grain of wisdom and find out if it might be true.
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