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Old 07-06-2011, 06:26 PM   #1
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With the Triumph 800xc out would you still buy an F800gs?

I like the looks of the F800gs, but the tiger is:

Cheaper (by atleast 2000)
Better saddle
Excel rims
more reliable possibly?
The finish seems better, and welds smoother, but I don't know if it's actually built better.

I'm a BMW fanboy, but I don't want a bike that is going to break on me especially if it costs more.

I have read some comparisons, but they are mostly speculation.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:35 PM   #2
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800xc vs 800gs

I just got my first look at the 800xc... Nice !

I'm thinking Tiger 800xc will be for me. Truimph has been building that engine for a few years. But, I will wait to see about reliability. F800gs has too many problems for liking.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:41 PM   #3
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I would buy the F800GS again because it fits my long body much better and I wanted the more offroad oriented bike. The XC just does not fit me off road. As a mostly on-road bike it would probably have been the better choice for me but that's not what I wanted.

Only you can answer the question what works for you. Ride them both, think about what you expect from the bike and then buy what suits you best.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:54 PM   #4
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I couldn't get a test ride on the Triumph XC, so I bought the GS. If the dealer had let me ride it, I may have purchased it.
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:28 PM   #5
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didn't know the triumph had excel rims....they must be reading advrider....damn....
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:04 PM   #6
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Triumph is roughly 20lbs heavier.
Triumph has 9 more HP, but 4lb ft less of torque.
Triumph has a 550watt alternator.
Triumph has a 19 liter tank.
Triumph has a factory rack on the back.

BMW has more torque, its lighter, and strictly from youtube videos, it seems the BMW is more nimble and agile offroad.


I am debating this quandry myself. From reading thr F800GS problems thread, it seems that most of the problems (major) have been in the first model year. (2009) I am looking at buying a new bike, and the F800GS, and 800XC are close competitors. I am debating which one would suit my riding better. My last bike was an R1, and before than an FZ6. I am wanting a more adventure oriented bike. The triumph has its ups, but also its downs. The motor is called "completely new and redesigned long stroke version", so its a first model year in all aspects, I am slightly concerned over this

Now on the $2000 price difference. I see an $11,445 MSRP on the BMW, Though i have not checked if this includes the "standard Package" at an additional $1,445. Can you order the F800GS without ABS? there is $1891 if that is required on the purchase.

The Triumph is $10,999 MSRP


I have not ridden either

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Old 07-06-2011, 09:16 PM   #7
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Middle of nowhere ...parts and service? Extensive network of BMW riders willing to help each other out. Something to factor in a decision.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:25 PM   #8
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I debated this very thing.. and chose a F800GS...BMW has sorted out most of the problems now.

Maybe in a year I'd risk the Tiger.

But the BMW coolaid is so yummy!!
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Old 08-24-2011, 06:40 AM   #9
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I debated this very thing.. and chose a F800GS...BMW has sorted out most of the problems now.

Maybe in a year I'd risk the Tiger.

But the BMW coolaid is so yummy!!

(just giving you a hard time!)

you all are cracking me up. i will have to say that i love both bikes. the honest to god reason i bought the tiger is because in the long run it was thousands cheaper (for me). in fact i went in to buy the F800 and walked out with the TigerXC... i thought we were all here to be fellow ADV riders? every bike suits every rider in a different way.
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Old 08-24-2011, 05:13 PM   #10
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(just giving you a hard time!)

you all are cracking me up. i will have to say that i love both bikes. the honest to god reason i bought the tiger is because in the long run it was thousands cheaper (for me). in fact i went in to buy the F800 and walked out with the TigerXC... i thought we were all here to be fellow ADV riders? every bike suits every rider in a different way.
Damn forgot I'd Posted that, I put it down to age!!!
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:41 PM   #11
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The dealer/parts network is great... But i would love to not worry about it

I am looking at a new model year bmw, as it does seem they have sorted out most of their problems.
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Old 07-06-2011, 10:08 PM   #12
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No. I would not. The Tiger 800 XC is:

-25 lbs heavier wet
-Has lower ground clearance, making certain parts (header in particular) seem very vulnerable
-A tad less suspension travel
-Has a much higher center of gravity due to the tank being in the normal up front, up high tank position (big negative in my book)
-Has a bigger tank, but reports say fuel consumption is higher, so range is equal between the two
-Rear shock linkage seems very low and vulnerable


The F800GS is:

-Lighter
-Has higher ground clearance
-A tad more suspension travel
-MUCH lower center of gravity due to tank being under the seat and down low
-Even though the tank is .8 gallons smaller, it still has a range of up to 200+ miles
-Has no vulnerable rear suspension linkage



PS in all the photos I've seen the rims are not Excel.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:54 AM   #13
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No. I would not. The Tiger 800 XC is:

-Has lower ground clearance, making certain parts (header in particular) seem very vulnerable

The F800GS is:

-Has higher ground clearance
^The above is what would seal the deal for me if you were interested in taking it on anything more challenging than fire roads. For my strength/ability/size the weight is not the limiting factor in offroading the F8. Nor is it the quality of the suspension. By a loooong way, the single greatest limiting factor I find is ground clearance. As the Triumph is lower still, I think you will have problems using it on anything remotely like "proper" offroad.

For a 100% roadbike? I'd be very interested in the Tiger.
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:51 AM   #14
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^The above is what would seal the deal for me if you were interested in taking it on anything more challenging than fire roads. For my strength/ability/size the weight is not the limiting factor in offroading the F8. Nor is it the quality of the suspension. By a loooong way, the single greatest limiting factor I find is ground clearance. As the Triumph is lower still, I think you will have problems using it on anything remotely like "proper" offroad.

For a 100% roadbike? I'd be very interested in the Tiger.
+1, after riding and thoroughly inspecting the 800XC up close, I'd have to agree.

In my opinion the F800GS is a good 60/40 bike... as on 60% on road (pavement) and 40% off road (gravel roads, dirt roads, 2-track ATV/Jeep trails, etc - no single track). Whereas, the 800XC is a good 90/10 bike.... 90% paved roads, 10% mixed gravel/fire roads and the occasional "if I have to" 2-track ATV/Jeep trail.

Also, someone mentioned the rims on the 800XC as Excel rims. They are not.

It is also important to remember that just because a suspension component has adjustments, that does not necessarily make it any better. I have a shitty little stereo that has a lot of adjustments on it but it will never sound as good as my Tannoy studio monitors that have no adjustments.... just an analogy, but something to think about nonetheless.
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:47 AM   #15
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I own an 800GS with 16k miles and I took a good test ride on the Triumph 800 XC last weekend.

The Triumph has a better engine and a better seat. The suspension seems a little better out of the box, too. I think it makes a better road bike than the F800. Also, the gearchange is a bit smoother than the BMW.

I didn't get to ride the Triumph off road, but the points that the other posters have made seem relevant. A little more vulnerable, a little more top heavy, and not as much low end torque. Also, first gear seemed slightly higher than the GS, and the GS is already too tall. None of these facts are deal breakers for the average rider.

Overall I thought the Triumph was an awesome bike and you can't go wrong with either one!
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