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Old 08-05-2012, 10:12 PM   #1
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Whats the ATG of ATGATT?

Some preach it, some scoff, but what is it?

Opinions seem to vary wildly, what one rider considers ATGATT another may consider it totally inadequate. Does gear have to be motorcycle specific to qualify as gear? Does what and how a rider rides change what is adequate protection?

ATG?

One piece leathers, spine protector, armored leather gloves, armored racing boots, FF helmet, neck brace?

Padded textile one piece or jacket & pants, reinforced riding gloves, riding boots, modular helmet?

Textile riding jacket, textile gloves, reinforced jeans, riding boots, FF helmet?

Leather jacket, leather chaps, leather gloves, engineer boots, 3/4 helmet?

Textile riding jacket, work gloves, steel toe work boots, jeans, modular helmet?
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:21 PM   #2
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That list will make a lot more sense if the word "jeans" goes away.

Denim, even one of the reinforced versions, has no place on your body if abrasion will be experienced.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:03 AM   #3
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ATG: Helmet, gloves, boots, jeans, jacket, glasses/visor

That's my understanding at least, and if I'm going around the block or doing a short commute (sub 40mph) to work that's what my gear consists of and I adjust my riding style to reflect that. If I want to play around, get out of town, etc I'll be sure to wear a ballistic jacket and pants, armored riding boots, armored gloves, full face helmet, and I'll throw in an extra layer of warm clothes in the side cases. There is always more or better gear to wear, and there is always someone who is just a little safer then you gasping at your poor safety choices. So unless I see someone in shorts, flip flops, or a novelty helmet I try not to judge.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:14 AM   #4
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:40 AM   #5
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ATG = Air The Groin...

ATT = And Thongs Too...


* Thongs = (Aussie vernacular) for flip flop, rubber sandal, open air footwear, Taiwanese safety boots etc...

not those skimpy undershorts that girls like, what dissappear up your .....**

** insert favourite synonym for ring, quoit, date, freckle, crack etc.
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:32 AM   #6
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I personally think its pretty simple.

Motorcycle Gear = impact protection + abrasion protection.
ATGATT is both, covering you entirely.

I guess there are levels within ATG

A full leather racing suit, would be top of the food chain.
But pants and jacket with at least minimum padding, is still ATG.
Helmet, gloves and boots are an obvious part of ATG, if you are lacking any of these three, you don't have a place in this conversation.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:35 AM   #7
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... I guess there are levels within ATG

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Helmet, gloves and boots are an obvious part of ATG, if you are lacking any of these three, you don't have a place in this conversation.
Since I drive a heavy-sidecar rig and my third wheel never leaves the ground, pavement is the last thing I would ever hit ... and that is how I determine "ATG" for me.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:54 AM   #8
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Since I drive a heavy-sidecar rig and my third wheel never leaves the ground, pavement is the last thing I would ever hit ... and that is how I determine "ATG" for me.


http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88045

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Old 08-06-2012, 05:59 AM   #9
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Denim is not "all the gear".

Crash in it one time and you will see.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:40 AM   #10
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Denim is not "all the gear".

Crash in it one time and you will see.
I've been down 4 times, hit twice by cars, hit a dog, and fresh tar, each time I was wearing jeans. Got a few minor abrasions, but no road rash.

Jeans are obviously not "gear", but they are not shorts either.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:59 AM   #11
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I think what he is saying is you can't "go down" on a sidecar like on a 2 wheeler, so sliding while remotly possible is highly unlikely, like with ATV's impact is the main issue. The "ideal" gear for a sidecar would be lots of hard armor.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:25 AM   #12
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I think what he is saying is you can't "go down" on a sidecar like on a 2 wheeler, so sliding while remotly possible is highly unlikely, like with ATV's impact is the main issue. The "ideal" gear for a sidecar would be lots of hard armor.
I still don't see it. You certainly can tip a sidecar over and "go down". You can also get knocked off your sidecar.

None the less, this is no different than the other ATGATT thread and should be merged. People are ignoring to OPs question and just jumping into the pro'cons of ATGATT.

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Old 08-06-2012, 04:45 AM   #13
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If you look like a bright neon Michelin Man traveling down the street = you're doing it right!

I prefer to use my skills instead and ride within them; part of which is identifying the hazards that can put you down on the road in the first place.

For me, I'm sure that any "accident" I have, no amount of padding is going to protect my body from an impact with anything above 20mph so if you ride above that speed = what's the point?

I've been down on the road 3 times and walked away (limped away once with a sore knee) just fine, with no more road rash from only wearing Jeans/Jacket/Gloves/Helmet...than the Guys who wear ATGATT post pictures of when they screwed up. = makes me wonder how over-rated ATGATT really is.

...I guess I've given away that I'm NOT ATGATT (even when commuting in the winter) so....just ignore my comments as I "don't have a place in this conversation".

Ps. The accidents I've had were all in the first 5 yrs I was riding on the street while still learning my skills/abilities. (that's over 20 yrs ago now, been fine ever since!)

If anyone wants to preach to me how dressing like the Michelin Man might help my chances when I hit an immovable object above 20mph = please include the valuable, convincing information on how it overcomes physics.
Unless that padding people talk about is over 2 feet of thick shock-absorbing foam...I fail to see how it's going to help.

I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all here....just voicing what I've experienced over the years and actually seen in comparison. (apologizing ahead of time, because I know I come across that way)
Really = tell me a good argument and change my mind.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:24 AM   #14
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Really = tell me a good argument and change my mind.
OK, here goes:
If, in your opinion, it is worth it, you should wear abrasion protective gear to cover your entire body and wear impact protective gear on your entire head and the obvious impact zones (shoulders, elbows, knees, hips, spine).

There.

If that didn't change your mind, you don't think it is worth it. So you don't do it. Personal risk/reward assessment, we all need to do it and come to our conclusions.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:40 AM   #15
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Batgatt???

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I prefer to use my skills instead and ride within them; part of which is identifying the hazards that can put you down on the road in the first place.


In the August 2012 Rider magazine there was an articled by Clement Salvadori entitled BATGATT...Brains and All The Gear All The Time.

I tried to find an online copy of it to post but I can't seem to find one. Anyways the main idea of the article is that our "Brain" is our most important tool in avoiding possible mishaps on the bike in the first place. To just gear up head to toe and then go out and ride without the right mindset doesn't really accomplish a whole lot.

I agreed with the article and I do ride with armored/textile pants/jacket, good helmet, riding boots & gloves myself but even more importantly I switch my brain over to "motorcycle mode" for a much more heightened sense of my surroundings, spacing and potential road hazards.
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