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Old 09-10-2012, 08:53 PM   #1
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Pissed Serious Design Flaw: Super Enduro!

So I'm out riding, 150 miles from home and am jumping some water-bars as is my usual routine. A few miles later I stop for a break and see lots of steam coming from the front of the bike.

To make a long story short I must have bottomed out and the Skid-plate crushed the lower row of cooling fins on my radiator.

The design flaw is that the skid-plate is attached to the oil reservoir, which in turn is connected to the radiator. So any force imparted on the skid plate is driven into the radiator.

I have Black Dog skid-plate w/ the additional "Shok Blok" which braces the skid plate on the bottom of the engine case to help absorb those REALLY big hits.




I was able to top it off and get to a gas station and add some stop leak which got me home.

Anyone else have this happen to them or have a viable solution for the problem?
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:55 PM   #2
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Do you think that this is the same design issue on the Adventure?

I put a BD plate on mine, though I doubt I'll punish my ADV like you do the SE -
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:05 PM   #3
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The ADV has a cast aluminum sub-frame that the skid plate bolts to. On the SE it bolts directly to the oil reservoir.

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Old 09-10-2012, 09:16 PM   #4
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So you hit your skid plate, which in turn pushed up on the oil resevoir, which in turn hit and damaged the radiator? Did you notice the hit? Or was it just one among many?
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:31 PM   #5
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So you hit your skid plate, which in turn pushed up on the oil resevoir, which in turn pushed up and damaged the radiator?
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Did you notice the hit? Or was it just one among many?


Just another typical ride. I did not notice any impact bigger than usual.



I've taken bigger jumps before.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:20 PM   #6
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...Anyone else have this happen to them or have a viable solution for the problem?

When I read your question(s), there was one particular inmate who came to mind. He is not a big fan of that plate, for that exact reason.

The rear of the B-D plate mounts to very stong points, but eliminates the mid-mounts (to the best of my knowledge). Another inmate, here, cannibalized the oil tank, and told me that the damn thing could probably take a hit from an IED. So, since (like water) force is gonna' take the path of least resistance, the rear of the plate is gonna' act like a hinge...on some really bad, or awkward, hits (just from a mechanical perspective). And, in the front, the oil tank will absorb a good hit. However, the stuff above it won't.

Kurt makes great products, and (I believe) tried to address this issue by adding the Shok-Blok. And, in my very humble opinion, I think that 95% would never go beyond the limits of B-D's design. It appears that you are one of the 5%...congrats.

Anyhow, the inmate (who is not a fan) seems to prefer the G-it (Guard-it Technology) plate...as it mounts at three points.


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Old 10-01-2012, 06:36 PM   #7
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...the B-D plate ...eliminates the mid-mounts ...
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It's not a design flaw at all, it's just not designed to be outright abused ...

Another tip is to always ... land rear wheel first, with a little bit of power on, so that the chassis "rolls into the landing" instead of expecting both ends to just absorb all of the load ...
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You can't launch a 420+ lb bike like its a 250cc race bike

The 950 can take High speed launches as long as you land like Hilslamer recommends above

Also wheelie over Rough Obstacles to where the plate never touches.

Watch the Factory Riders in the woods

They ride liquid smooth so they don't abuse the the bike

Eliminating the center mounts, puts tremendous stress on the oil tank

This is why I'm still running the OEM Stock Skid Plate
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:31 AM   #8
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Ya, ya....I've been riding the bike like this for 4 years and it just now happened.

Now that it's fixed up again I'll keep riding it like I do and if I crush the rad after another 4 years, then thats the price to pay.


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Old 10-02-2012, 09:39 AM   #9
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Ya, ya....I've been riding the bike like this for 4 years and it just now happened.

Now that it's fixed up again I'll keep riding it like I do and if I crush the rad after another 4 years, then thats the price to pay.


Back to my regularly scheduled riding:





That looks fun!
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:33 PM   #10
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Ya, ya....I've been riding the bike like this for 4 years and it just now happened.

Now that it's fixed up again I'll keep riding it like I do and if I crush the rad after another 4 years, then thats the price to pay.


Back to my regularly scheduled riding:






Looks like fun. Where is that? It takes some serious fortitude to get any steed over that terrain.

You have now confirmed to us that you're in the .001% of anyone who is riding an SE like that, or who would take an SE over that "road," though. And I'll say it one more time, you are in the only-slightly-larger percentage of riders that is jumping their SE and flat-landing it with apparently reckless abandon, much less landing it where it can't be landed.

Calling any failures you might have as a result of the chances you take "design flaws" on KTM's behalf is totally unjustified, as well as asserting that the Black Dog skid plate is not in improvement over the stock skid plate.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:29 AM   #11
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Looks like fun. Where is that? It takes some serious fortitude to get any steed over that terrain.

You have now confirmed to us that you're in the .001% of anyone who is riding an SE like that, or who would take an SE over that "road," though. And I'll say it one more time, you are in the only-slightly-larger percentage of riders that is jumping their SE and flat-landing it with apparently reckless abandon, much less landing it where it can't be landed.

Calling any failures you might have as a result of the chances you take "design flaws" on KTM's behalf is totally unjustified, as well as asserting that the Black Dog skid plate is not in improvement over the stock skid plate.

Regardless, it's still a less than optimal design in my opinion. (The oil tank/radiator, not the skid plate)
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I did the same thing but from big logs so I built a steel bracket that attaches the oil tank to the other 2 mounting points on the bottom of the rad. It's not perfect but spreads the load a bit and has held up since.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:33 PM   #13
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I did the same thing but from big logs so I built a steel bracket that attaches the oil tank to the other 2 mounting points on the bottom of the rad. It's not perfect but spreads the load a bit and has held up since.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:34 PM   #14
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I'll have to take a look at the Guard-it Technology skidplate.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:45 PM   #15
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I'll have to take a look at the Guard-it Technology skidplate.

I hope he doesn't mind me putting it out there...But, I think Misery Goat has (had?) one on his SE. If you PM'ed him, he might give you a firsthand opinion.



He can even be pretty nice, at times...

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