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Old 09-17-2012, 09:25 PM   #1
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Evil Black Rifles and tacticool hotness

Lots of wheel guns and big-bore singles in "ILTG" has me thinking we need a spot for "modern sporting firearms" and military inspired gear.

So, post your comments, questions, and pics here you mall ninjas.

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Old 09-17-2012, 09:54 PM   #2
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I can't wait for this "bling guns".
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:23 AM   #3
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Ok, smartass, I'll start.

2500+ rds down the pipe without a single failure. This one goes with me in the truck and slips between the mattresses every night.



My first (and only) AR when I first built it, 700 rds or so fired and a couple FTE's from laquer coated ammo.



Current configuration with furniture swapped to FDE, I've ditched the Vortexx red dot since this pic, as it's weaknesses have reared their ugly head during a training course and am now saving pennies for an Eotech EXPS2-0

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Old 09-18-2012, 08:44 AM   #4
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Great idea for a new thread! I like tacticool guns, have a few, but my true love is more 'old school' stuff.....perhaps because I'm an old guy!

Here is something I thought the readers of this thread might find interesting. I was in a shop in a different town on Sunday and had some time to kill while my girlfriend did some work-related stuff, so wandered about a sporting-good store and spotted one of these. My initial reaction was to laugh and shake my head.

http://www.mossberg.com/product/rifl...-464-spx/41026

Yes indeed, Mossberg is marketing a tacticool lever-action called the 464 SPX, 30-30 caliber, muzzle-break/flash-hider, collapsing "black" stock, lots of Picatinny rails for red-dots, lights, microwaves, porta-potties, etc!
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:15 AM   #5
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Great idea for a new thread! I like tacticool guns, have a few, but my true love is more 'old school' stuff.....perhaps because I'm an old guy!

Here is something I thought the readers of this thread might find interesting. I was in a shop in a different town on Sunday and had some time to kill while my girlfriend did some work-related stuff, so wandered about a sporting-good store and spotted one of these. My initial reaction was to laugh and shake my head.

http://www.mossberg.com/product/rifl...-464-spx/41026

Yes indeed, Mossberg is marketing a tacticool lever-action called the 464 SPX, 30-30 caliber, muzzle-break/flash-hider, collapsing "black" stock, lots of Picatinny rails for red-dots, lights, microwaves, porta-potties, etc!
Tacticool marketing at its finest. Like selling ketchup popsicles to woman in white gloves.
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:07 PM   #6
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Great idea for a new thread! I like tacticool guns, have a few, but my true love is more 'old school' stuff.....perhaps because I'm an old guy!

Here is something I thought the readers of this thread might find interesting. I was in a shop in a different town on Sunday and had some time to kill while my girlfriend did some work-related stuff, so wandered about a sporting-good store and spotted one of these. My initial reaction was to laugh and shake my head.

http://www.mossberg.com/product/rifl...-464-spx/41026

Yes indeed, Mossberg is marketing a tacticool lever-action called the 464 SPX, 30-30 caliber, muzzle-break/flash-hider, collapsing "black" stock, lots of Picatinny rails for red-dots, lights, microwaves, porta-potties, etc!
My first thought on that was that it was silly, but it makes sense to a point. If you are in a restrictive environment- it allows you to have a handy, easy to use long arm with lights, lasers, etc for home defense. It stores shorter than a full size .30-.30 for a camper or truck gun or even moving around your house in the dark. I added a red dot to my .357 lever gun for pig hunting and camping. That would allow me to add a good light for "bump in the night" moments in the woods or an IR illuminator for piggy popping after dark (where legal of course).
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:00 PM   #7
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My first thought on that was that it was silly, but it makes sense to a point. If you are in a restrictive environment- it allows you to have a handy, easy to use long arm with lights, lasers, etc for home defense. It stores shorter than a full size .30-.30 for a camper or truck gun or even moving around your house in the dark. I added a red dot to my .357 lever gun for pig hunting and camping. That would allow me to add a good light for "bump in the night" moments in the woods or an IR illuminator for piggy popping after dark (where legal of course).
I don't have a problem with it, or with tacticool stuff generally. Hell, back in the '60s when the first civilian AR15s started being sold by Colt, most shooters, myself included, referred to it as a Mattel toy, ugly, plastic, thought of it as inaccurate and mostly a useless novelty. My tune has certainly changed over the intervening decades, and I think that can be said for a lot of us. I now find the AR family to be one of the premier shooting platforms on the planet.

That said, I did find the tacticool lever gun a bit curious. Maybe in a few years I'll want to buy one, however!!
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I don't have a problem with it, or with tacticool stuff generally. Hell, back in the '60s when the first civilian AR15s started being sold by Colt, most shooters, myself included, referred to it as a Mattel toy, ugly, plastic, thought of it as inaccurate and mostly a useless novelty. My tune has certainly changed over the intervening decades, and I think that can be said for a lot of us. I now find the AR family to be one of the premier shooting platforms on the planet.

That said, I did find the tacticool lever gun a bit curious. Maybe in a few years I'll want to buy one, however!!
Back then the AR platform kind of sucked, it came a long way
in forty years, I like my shorty for a boonie Jeep gun.
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Great idea for a new thread! I like tacticool guns, have a few, but my true love is more 'old school' stuff.....perhaps because I'm an old guy!

Here is something I thought the readers of this thread might find interesting. I was in a shop in a different town on Sunday and had some time to kill while my girlfriend did some work-related stuff, so wandered about a sporting-good store and spotted one of these. My initial reaction was to laugh and shake my head.

http://www.mossberg.com/product/rifl...-464-spx/41026

Yes indeed, Mossberg is marketing a tacticool lever-action called the 464 SPX, 30-30 caliber, muzzle-break/flash-hider, collapsing "black" stock, lots of Picatinny rails for red-dots, lights, microwaves, porta-potties, etc!
All that plastic and it still is listed at 7 lbs.
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Here's a little gizmo I designed and built for PACT to cycle their AR triggers for testing. Just attach a drill motor or other power source to the shaft and it cocks the hammer and pulls the trigger over and over.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:59 AM   #11
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I'm in the market for a Kydex holster for training purposes. Currently using the XD gear paddle holster, but have to take off my light and I'd rather it ride a little higher.

www.Kydextech.com has a 1-2 week lead time and a good price. Any of you guys have any experience with them?
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Here's a little gizmo I designed and built for PACT to cycle their AR triggers for testing. Just attach a drill motor or other power source to the shaft and it cocks the hammer and pulls the trigger over and over.

PACT makes triggers? Why do I not know this? I have had their chronograph and scale since the 80's, had not heard about them getting into triggers. Something else to research. I am still getting used to how nice my Gisselle works but there is another AR....... So much for keeping things consistant.


I don't feel quite as out of touch now. I had heard of A R Gold triggers but didn't realize that they were associated with PACT. Interesting information on their website, kind of pricy but most of the decent AR triggers seem to cost that much. It would be really nice if there was a way to feel all the aftermarket triggers and say "That is the one I like" rather than compare specs and guess. The graphs are useful but unless you have a graph of something you already know that you like it is still hard to compare.

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[QUOTE=HardCase;19621356]Great idea for a new thread! I like tacticool guns, have a few, but my true love is more 'old school' stuff.....perhaps because I'm an old guy! //QUOTE]
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:37 PM   #14
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Can someone explain the idea behind this trigger safety? It seems completely useless to me, since all safety mechanisms are disabled as soon as you grab the gun.

I ask because a LEO had an accidental misfire in a movie theater last week with one of these. He said he went to re-adjust the gun in its holster (not sure what style) and the gun went off. I assume he was carrying "cocked and locked", which isn't locked at all as far as I can see. The round hit an armrest, and nobody was hurt. Someone did call the theater after it hit the local news to say they were hit with fragments, but I think it was a scammer. We are kind of a gun friendly community, so it dropped out of the news in about 2 days.

I personally prefer no safety on a self defense gun. A cross bar safety is handy on a hunting rifle when hiking rough terrain with the gun cocked.
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Can someone explain the idea behind this trigger safety? It seems completely useless to me, since all safety mechanisms are disabled as soon as you grab the gun.

I ask because a LEO had an accidental misfire in a movie theater last week with one of these. He said he went to re-adjust the gun in its holster (not sure what style) and the gun went off. I assume he was carrying "cocked and locked", which isn't locked at all as far as I can see. The round hit an armrest, and nobody was hurt. Someone did call the theater after it hit the local news to say they were hit with fragments, but I think it was a scammer. We are kind of a gun friendly community, so it dropped out of the news in about 2 days.

I personally prefer no safety on a self defense gun. A cross bar safety is handy on a hunting rifle when hiking rough terrain with the gun cocked.
NRA Gun Safety Rule #2; "ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot." The safety is there to prevent Accidental Discharge not Negligent Discharge's. (ie, dropping the gun.) If the gun is holstered, the person has bad discipline if he's tugging on the trigger.
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