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Old 12-04-2012, 08:54 PM   #1
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Too much information...

There's just too much. Where does one start? 4800 page threads?

I've been lurking around for a bit now, reading up on all sorts of things. I figured I ought to get around to making a first post. So here it is. I recently bought a "thumper", or rather two of them. DR650's. The bikes started identically, in fact, their VIN's are only 8 digits apart. Mine is still completely stock, while hers has had the "seat height" lowered by the Suzuki dealer, (That was an ordeal all its own, as the dealer was unaware that it was possible, and confused by the fact that Suzuki considers a suspension rebuild as a seat height adjustment...) and the Suzuki gel seat installed. Hers is now noticeably lower.

Since both of our respective motorcycle experience consists of little and long ago, we're starting out slowly and won't be on the open road for quite some time (I'll let her field questions as to the details of how/why that is). We're mainly gathering gear and knowledge at this point, with occasional daydreams fueled by some of the posts and pictures. I look forward to continued reading, and hopefully we'll be able to add some info at some point in the future.

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Old 12-04-2012, 09:03 PM   #2
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You can go a few ways...

1. Start on page 1 and get cracking. Drink beer.
2. Post something about "My XXX bike is the best bike evah!" and fill in the body of the post about how you've ridden everything else under the sun and why you can't imagine why anyone else would ride anything else.
3. Post something about how "XXX bike is the worst bike evah!" and fill in the body of the post with how many problems you have, and compare it to either a KTM or a BMW.

And then question the legitimacy of a certain oil.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:23 PM   #3
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You can go a few ways...

1. Start on page 1 and get cracking. Drink beer.
2. Post something about "My XXX bike is the best bike evah!" and fill in the body of the post about how you've ridden everything else under the sun and why you can't imagine why anyone else would ride anything else.
3. Post something about how "XXX bike is the worst bike evah!" and fill in the body of the post with how many problems you have, and compare it to either a KTM or a BMW.

And then question the legitimacy of a certain oil.
Well, wait, I already have a beer open (and in a glass...), does that limit me to option number one?

And I wasn't going to discuss oil. In fact, I wasn't even going to use oil. I was going to run nothing but "type F" automatic transmission fluid. Because it is "grippier".

(am I doing it right?)

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Old 12-05-2012, 03:26 AM   #4
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And then question the legitimacy of a certain oil.
and you need to start a thread talking about what kind of fuel is best... ;)
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:15 PM   #5
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:34 PM   #6
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Good luck with the learning curve and welcome to the madness.

I think you should start a "what 50/50 tire are you using???Let's see it!!!" thread.

That's what I'd do...but I drink
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:53 AM   #7
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Hesaid,

If either of you have a particular question, don't be afraid to ask. If you put it in the wrong forum the mods will move it for you. No sweat.

Is she comfortable on her DR? If need be, you can buy links to lower it more; I use these:

http://burkhartcycle.com/store/index...roducts_id=162

If she's still wary of the height and weight of the DR, don't fuss. Pick up an XT225 for her to spend a few months/miles on while she gets the hang of things.

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Old 12-05-2012, 07:45 AM   #8
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Hesaid,

If either of you have a particular question, don't be afraid to ask. If you put it in the wrong forum the mods will move it for you. No sweat.

Is she comfortable on her DR? If need be, you can buy links to lower it more; I use these:

http://burkhartcycle.com/store/index...roducts_id=162

If she's still wary of the height and weight of the DR, don't fuss. Pick up an XT225 for her to spend a few months/miles on while she gets the hang of things.

Sarah
Thanks for the link. It may well come in handy in the future. Further lowering has been discussed, but we decided to try it where it is now, approx 2.5" down from stock, before deciding about going lower. The weight is a funny issue... There are those who say it's too big and heavy of a bike, and that she should have gotten a Ninja 250. Then they make faces when she asks them why they think a heavier bike would be better.

The option of getting one of a 200-250cc class bike, and having us cut our teeth on that, then selling it and getting the DR's was discussed, but ultimately decided against. Especially by the mother of the 15yr old we were going to sell it to! Though there were other reasons as well.

Oh, and Murf? Would you expect anything less from a new member of a commuity such as this?

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Old 12-05-2012, 08:32 PM   #9
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Hesaid,

If either of you have a particular question, don't be afraid to ask. If you put it in the wrong forum the mods will move it for you. No sweat.

Is she comfortable on her DR? If need be, you can buy links to lower it more; I use these:

http://burkhartcycle.com/store/index...roducts_id=162

If she's still wary of the height and weight of the DR, don't fuss. Pick up an XT225 for her to spend a few months/miles on while she gets the hang of things.

Sarah

No. She is NOT comfortable on her DR!

I would very much like it 1 to 2 inches lower still. I actually don't think the gel seat is quite as comfy as the stock seat was, but the lower height wins out. I still can't get my feet flat on the ground when the bike (and I) are on level ground, and that's something I really want to be able to do.

Hi everybody! I am Matt's (aka Hesaid's) other half, and the rider of the second (lower) DR in the household.

Unfortunately, despite all our best efforts to start out and stay safe, sane, mature and responsible while cutting our teeth and getting the hang of riding-- the almost very first thing I did was "shatter" (Dr.'s words) my left wrist in a sloppy dismount after losing balance and realizing the bike was going over whether I stayed on it or not.

And so all those people who were utterly disgusted at us for getting motorcycles for various reasons have had a chance to "tsk tsk" at us and point at my fancy new scar from the ORIF surgery as if that proves them right. And I have the unfortunate luck to contribute to motorcycle statistics. Which is just pathetic because the bike was stalled at a dead stop when I did it. Shouldn't even have mentioned the bike... it was the tripping and falling down that did all the damage.

He promises not to go riding without me, so according to the orthopedist, we hope to be back on 2 wheels early in 2013. Which is good, because I'm looking forward to some back country roads to enjoy the fruit orchards in full bloom come mid-February.

Alrighty-- that is my introductory post, tieing me in with Hesaid so hopefully y'all will associate us with with eachother now.

BTW: Thank you, Sarah, for both the thought and the link!

I was having a grand time-- and not feeling too intimidated at all-- puttering around the parking lot in 1st gear before I hit that curb and broke my wrist. Really looking forward to getting just a little bit lower... and back on the bike.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:00 PM   #10
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Hesaid,

If either of you have a particular question, don't be afraid to ask. If you put it in the wrong forum the mods will move it for you. No sweat.

Is she comfortable on her DR? If need be, you can buy links to lower it more; I use these:

http://burkhartcycle.com/store/index...roducts_id=162

If she's still wary of the height and weight of the DR, don't fuss. Pick up an XT225 for her to spend a few months/miles on while she gets the hang of things.

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No. She is NOT comfortable on her DR!
Oh, crap, this could end poorly. I love women riders, my Sister is a retired firefighter. She rides dirt very well and kicks my butt with her Ducati on pavement. She also had a lowered DR650. Although she rode it well, it still weighed 366 pounds ready to ride.

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I would very much like it 1 to 2 inches lower still. I actually don't think the gel seat is quite as comfy as the stock seat was, but the lower height wins out. I still can't get my feet flat on the ground when the bike (and I) are on level ground, and that's something I really want to be able to do.
I'm retired, so my physical strength is nothing like when I raced. I have a 30" inseam, when my DR starts to tip, it's going down, whether I like it or not. As said, they weigh 366 pounds ready to ride, before adding my riding gear, 17 pound tailbag and tools (weight unknown).

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Hi everybody! I am Matt's (aka Hesaid's) other half, and the rider of the second (lower) DR in the household.
Hi, Mrs. Said, welcome to the site.

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Unfortunately, despite all our best efforts to start out and stay safe, sane, mature and responsible while cutting our teeth and getting the hang of riding-- the almost very first thing I did was "shatter" (Dr.'s words) my left wrist in a sloppy dismount after losing balance and realizing the bike was going over whether I stayed on it or not.
Yep, bin der, dun dat. (broke my leg twice)

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And so all those people who were utterly disgusted at us for getting motorcycles for various reasons have had a chance to "tsk tsk" at us and point at my fancy new scar from the ORIF surgery as if that proves them right. And I have the unfortunate luck to contribute to motorcycle statistics. Which is just pathetic because the bike was stalled at a dead stop when I did it. Shouldn't even have mentioned the bike... it was the tripping and falling down that did all the damage.
Injuries come from anywhere, for me, it's power tools. Don't put your hands out when you tip over, tuck your arm and roll over your shoulder. (yea, I know; easier said than done)

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He promises not to go riding without me, so according to the orthopedist, we hope to be back on 2 wheels early in 2013. Which is good, because I'm looking forward to some back country roads to enjoy the fruit orchards in full bloom come mid-February.
Here's what I think . I agree with Sarah, get an XT-225 or 250. They have a low seat height (buying one for myself to ride SE Utah) and are good for newer riders. The new Hondas and KLXs are too tall for learning, the Kawasaki Sherpas are ok but harder to find.

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Alrighty-- that is my introductory post, tieing me in with Hesaid so hopefully y'all will associate us with with eachother now.

BTW: Thank you, Sarah, for both the thought and the link!

I was having a grand time-- and not feeling too intimidated at all-- puttering around the parking lot in 1st gear before I hit that curb and broke my wrist. Really looking forward to getting just a little bit lower... and back on the bike.
I have no idea what your plans are, touring, day rides, overnighters, trips to the 7-11, etc. I've ridden 14,901 miles this summer; tomorrow I'm riding 99 miles (and it looks like it might rain ) . So what ya might ask? Tomorrow will put me at 15,000 miles this summer, day rides only. Highest mileage I've ever ridden in a year on a dirt/dual sport bike, by far. Ok, enough about me. If you're learning to ride, put ALL of your gear on HeSaid's bike. If that's too much weight for him, too bad; leave the hairdryer at home. Forget about camping, there's just too much bulk and weight involved for two riders. IMHO (in my humble opinion)

Here's what happend to another couple biting off more than she could handle. Reading about it online and actually doing it can be very different.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=789269

Please let us know what's up. There are ADVriders all across America and any one of them will grab a trailer and come get you, no matter where or when. I love this site.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:30 AM   #11
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No. She is NOT comfortable on her DR!

I would very much like it 1 to 2 inches lower still. I actually don't think the gel seat is quite as comfy as the stock seat was, but the lower height wins out. I still can't get my feet flat on the ground when the bike (and I) are on level ground, and that's something I really want to be able to do.

Hi everybody! I am Matt's (aka Hesaid's) other half, and the rider of the second (lower) DR in the household.

Unfortunately, despite all our best efforts to start out and stay safe, sane, mature and responsible while cutting our teeth and getting the hang of riding-- the almost very first thing I did was "shatter" (Dr.'s words) my left wrist in a sloppy dismount after losing balance and realizing the bike was going over whether I stayed on it or not.

And so all those people who were utterly disgusted at us for getting motorcycles for various reasons have had a chance to "tsk tsk" at us and point at my fancy new scar from the ORIF surgery as if that proves them right. And I have the unfortunate luck to contribute to motorcycle statistics. Which is just pathetic because the bike was stalled at a dead stop when I did it. Shouldn't even have mentioned the bike... it was the tripping and falling down that did all the damage.

He promises not to go riding without me, so according to the orthopedist, we hope to be back on 2 wheels early in 2013. Which is good, because I'm looking forward to some back country roads to enjoy the fruit orchards in full bloom come mid-February.

Alrighty-- that is my introductory post, tieing me in with Hesaid so hopefully y'all will associate us with with eachother now.

BTW: Thank you, Sarah, for both the thought and the link!

I was having a grand time-- and not feeling too intimidated at all-- puttering around the parking lot in 1st gear before I hit that curb and broke my wrist. Really looking forward to getting just a little bit lower... and back on the bike.

Your mention of "stalled at a dead stop" caught my attention. Was the engine actually stalled? It is pretty easy to fall over if the engine stalls when trying to get underway (or stopping if the clutch timing is off a little), the motion you were expecting and that your body was already adjusting to ... doesn't happen and it is hard to 'readjust' to the new direction of travel (that being down) quickly enough.
For all it's attributes, the DR isn't a really forgiving engine at low rpms, it likes to rev to run smoothly. The bike is also not geared particularly low. I did not notice this very much until I had the DR and a Triumph Scrambler that I pretty much rode on alternate days. I often enjoy just puttering along really slowly on a back road with NO traffic, I mean slow as in single digit speeds. My DR, despite being a "thumper" would not actually allow me to go as slow as the Scrambler. I changed my countershaft sprocket down one tooth to a 14 and it helped a lot in that regard. I then did a bit more by replacing the rear sprocket with a 43T (up one). I can't say that it 'transformed' the bike but it sure made the low speed 'puttering along' much more enjoyable and the bike is noticeably easier to get in motion from a stop.
Perhaps my DR will no longer cruise the highway at 85 or 90 mph, so be it, that isn't what I bought it for. I can still travel on the interstate if really necessary but would use another bike by choice. Some will say that I fixed a non-existent problem, that it isn't a hard bike to ride stock, they are correct, I just made it more suitable to MY desires.
It might make your riding more enjoyable and reduce one of the challenges of getting used to riding. There isn't a lot of cost involved and it is all reversible if you don't like it. Might be worth some consideration.
Of course if you didn't actually mean that the engine had stalled, perhaps none of this is appropriate or needed. Good luck and have fun!

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No. She is NOT comfortable on her DR!

I would very much like it 1 to 2 inches lower still. I actually don't think the gel seat is quite as comfy as the stock seat was, but the lower height wins out. I still can't get my feet flat on the ground when the bike (and I) are on level ground, and that's something I really want to be able to do.

Hi everybody! I am Matt's (aka Hesaid's) other half, and the rider of the second (lower) DR in the household.

Unfortunately, despite all our best efforts to start out and stay safe, sane, mature and responsible while cutting our teeth and getting the hang of riding-- the almost very first thing I did was "shatter" (Dr.'s words) my left wrist in a sloppy dismount after losing balance and realizing the bike was going over whether I stayed on it or not.

And so all those people who were utterly disgusted at us for getting motorcycles for various reasons have had a chance to "tsk tsk" at us and point at my fancy new scar from the ORIF surgery as if that proves them right. And I have the unfortunate luck to contribute to motorcycle statistics. Which is just pathetic because the bike was stalled at a dead stop when I did it. Shouldn't even have mentioned the bike... it was the tripping and falling down that did all the damage.

He promises not to go riding without me, so according to the orthopedist, we hope to be back on 2 wheels early in 2013. Which is good, because I'm looking forward to some back country roads to enjoy the fruit orchards in full bloom come mid-February.

Alrighty-- that is my introductory post, tieing me in with Hesaid so hopefully y'all will associate us with with eachother now.

BTW: Thank you, Sarah, for both the thought and the link!

I was having a grand time-- and not feeling too intimidated at all-- puttering around the parking lot in 1st gear before I hit that curb and broke my wrist. Really looking forward to getting just a little bit lower... and back on the bike.

That may not actually be the "best" arrangement. It is unlikely that you will both learn at the same rate. Sometimes a little 'alone time' with the bike can be a smart choice - for each of you.
I currently have 9 bikes (no, they don't all run) and have ridden since 1969. My wife actually learned to ride (on my first bike) back in the 70's and then didn't ride for 30 years, she has her XT 225 and recently passed 2,000 miles (in 6 years). Some of my absolute best rides have been when we rode together, also some of the most frustrating rides have been when we rode together, sometimes on the same ride! YMMV.


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I don't mean to preach and nag, but here's the website with the links:

http://burkhartcycle.com/store/index...roducts_id=162


Install the links, slide the forks, THEN have her sit on the bike in the garage to get the feel of things while her wrist continues to heal. Listen to me.

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No. She is NOT comfortable on her DR!

I would very much like it 1 to 2 inches lower still. I actually don't think the gel seat is quite as comfy as the stock seat was, but the lower height wins out. I still can't get my feet flat on the ground when the bike (and I) are on level ground, and that's something I really want to be able to do.

Hi everybody! I am Matt's (aka Hesaid's) other half, and the rider of the second (lower) DR in the household.

Unfortunately, despite all our best efforts to start out and stay safe, sane, mature and responsible while cutting our teeth and getting the hang of riding-- the almost very first thing I did was "shatter" (Dr.'s words) my left wrist in a sloppy dismount after losing balance and realizing the bike was going over whether I stayed on it or not.

And so all those people who were utterly disgusted at us for getting motorcycles for various reasons have had a chance to "tsk tsk" at us and point at my fancy new scar from the ORIF surgery as if that proves them right. And I have the unfortunate luck to contribute to motorcycle statistics. Which is just pathetic because the bike was stalled at a dead stop when I did it. Shouldn't even have mentioned the bike... it was the tripping and falling down that did all the damage.

He promises not to go riding without me, so according to the orthopedist, we hope to be back on 2 wheels early in 2013. Which is good, because I'm looking forward to some back country roads to enjoy the fruit orchards in full bloom come mid-February.

Alrighty-- that is my introductory post, tieing me in with Hesaid so hopefully y'all will associate us with with eachother now.

BTW: Thank you, Sarah, for both the thought and the link!

I was having a grand time-- and not feeling too intimidated at all-- puttering around the parking lot in 1st gear before I hit that curb and broke my wrist. Really looking forward to getting just a little bit lower... and back on the bike.
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It sounds to me like you're starting smartly. Gathering gear, knowledge and experience before getting on the road. Good luck and have fun! Keep us posted on your progress.
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