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Old 01-12-2013, 03:42 PM   #1
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What were you riding in the 90's?

I know nothing about trials bikes in general but for the life of me I see nothing (short of 1 1997 Fantic) for sale from the 90's.

I have seen Yamaha's,Montesa's,Bultaco's and Suzuki's from the 70's.I have even seen an occasional Kawasaki.

From the 80's I have seen a Montesa Cota 349,and a few Honda Reflex's.


The 90's-nothing

2000 on all kinds of stuff,mostly 2006-Current


Where the heck are all the bikes you guys rode back then?????
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:51 PM   #2
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What I rode in the 90's

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I know nothing about trials bikes in general but for the life of me I see nothing (short of 1 1997 Fantic) for sale from the 90's.

I have seen Yamaha's,Montesa's,Bultaco's and Suzuki's from the 70's.I have even seen an occasional Kawasaki.

From the 80's I have seen a Montesa Cota 349,and a few Honda Reflex's.


The 90's-nothing

2000 on all kinds of stuff,mostly 2006-Current


Where the heck are all the bikes you guys rode back then?????
I rode a '93 XR650L in the 90's... which is the a 180 from what I am riding now (2003 Montesa 315R). The only thing they have in common is the Honda motors and the smile on my face when I ride them.
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:23 PM   #3
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1989 beta, 92 beta, 93 aprilia,95 beta,96 beta,97beta and a 2000 beta. All those bikes trickle down to new riders and either break or sit in the corner somewhere. They are too new to ride vintage and the 2000 and newer were so much better People also hate to sell these bikes if they are still original because they bring little money for such good machines!
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:28 PM   #4
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1989 beta, 92 beta, 93 aprilia,95 beta,96 beta,97beta and a 2000 beta. All those bikes trickle down to new riders and either break or sit in the corner somewhere. They are too new to ride vintage and the 2000 and newer were so much better People also hate to sell these bikes if they are still original because they bring little money for such good machines!
Well that helps to explain it,thank you.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:40 PM   #5
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the 2000 and newer were so much better People also hate to sell these bikes if they are still original because they bring little money for such good machines!
+1

I started on a 2000 GasGas, then moved to a 2007. Gigantic leap in quality and how the bike rode. For one thing the headtube has never cracked. Anyone want to buy a lightly used rolling chassis?
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:59 PM   #7
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Thats what I'm looking for!!!!!!!.......i think......mostly playbike and when I get just a little bit over-confident I can enter a competition and get my ass handed to me!!!!!
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:02 PM   #8
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They are too new to ride vintage and the 2000 and newer were so much better People also hate to sell these bikes if they are still original because they bring little money for such good machines!
Here's a link to more details: http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums...24&postcount=5

You can probably find '90s trials bikes for the same price or less than a '70s vintage. Caveat Emptor: If it isn't a GasGas or Montesa, parts availability may be an issue since the manufacturers are only required to maintain inventory for expired models for 10-years. The Beta US importer has changed 3 times, with each new importer not purchasing the inventory of the previous importer (Hopefully you don't own a Techno)

We ride current Gasser Pros but keep a GasGas JT35 as a spare bike. By the mid-90s Trials designs from GasGas (1993-2003 GT-T/JT/JTR/JTX/TXT), Scorpa (ST), Beta (1993-1999 Techno), Fantic (1995-1997 Section/1998 Casta), Yamaha (1992-1996 TY250Z), and Honda-Montesa (1997-2004 Cota 315R) incorporated the significant changes that differentiate a modern trials motorcycle from their ancestors:

1. Hydraulic Disc brakes
2. Hydraulic clutch
3. Case reed valve intake
4. Liquid cooled cylinders (although the GasGas GT25 also had engine case cooling for the first few months)
5. Tubeless Radial rear tires (lighter). Front tires are tube type.
6. Adjustable suspension (Upside-down forks were abandoned in the mid-90's)

Our 1995 GasGas design is very capable unless your techniques and skill require a current sub-150 lbs. machine. The 147 lbs. GasGas 2002 Pro set the new standard for the lightweight modern trials bike, and facilitated the current riding influence from bicycle ('Bici') trials, Street BMX, and Freestyle MX.

It's amazing what riders were capable of on the older machines:

Charles Coutard in 1977 on a Bultaco Sherpa (200 lbs. twin-shock) and in 1987 on a Yamaha TY250R (216 lbs.) with air-cooled engines, drum brakes, and damper-rod forks:


After Bultaco initially ceased operation in 1979 and finally in 1983; the 80's introduced monoshock designs from Merlin, Mecatecno, Garelli, Montesa, Fantic, JCM, Beta, Aprilia, Honda, Yamaha, Alfer and JP Trials. Ossa merged with Bultaco in 1979 and ceased manufacture in 1982.


Josep Paxau emerged from the Merlin acquisition by GasGas and designed the GasGas model in 1993 by Amos Bilbao that lured Jordi Tarres ('JT') away from Beta. This model (GT-T/JT/JTR/JTX/TXT) continued into 2003 eventually replaced by the GasGas Pro model seen today. Paxau moved on in 1996 to Sherco when owner Marc Tessier purchased the rights to Bultaco and launched Sherco in 1998, hence the controversial similarities between Sherco ST models and GasGas TXT models.

Here's a video of what Jason Finn was capable of on a 1995 GasGas JT25:


Honda continued with the 1981 acquisition of Montesa.

Yamaha ceased offering the 1991-1996 Yamaha TYZ and entered into a partnership with Scorpa to supply engines. Pre-1998 Scorpa's used Rotax motors similar to Aprilia. Scorpa eventually declared backruptcy in 2009 and was acquired by Sherco, hence current Scorpa's use Sherco motors.

Beta of Italy adopted the aluminium frame in the '90s. The frames are manufactured for both Beta and Montesa by Verlicchi. The 1994-1999 Techno model emerged from the TR32/33/34/35/Zero/Synth/Gara in the '90s with development by Dougie Lampkin.

Ossa re-emerged in 2010. JotaGas was formed in 2009 under the direction of Jordi Tarres. Xispa, launched in 2005, currently offers the XPA300 developed with David Cobos. Xispa won against Sherco in the 2010 French civil suit that Xispa was importing trials bikes selling at 30%-40% below French market norms.

Cottage Industry: Most components such as Morad (nee Akront) wheel rims, AJP brakes cylinders/calipers, Domino throttles, Marzocchi or Paioli forks, Ohlins/Olle/Sachs shocks, Braking or Galfer rotors and brake pads, Talon Hubs, Ordonez radiators, S3 2-stroke cylinders, Renthal/Hebo/Jitsie/S3/Tomaselli handlebars, Keihin (PWK 28mm) or Dell'Orto (PHBL 26mm) carburetors, Lionelli electrical controls/rectifiers, Comex radiator fans, and Kokusan stators are shared by the manufacturers. In fact trials footpegs (S3/Raptor/Jitsie) are universal fit. Verlicchi makes the aluminium frames for Montesa and Beta. Tires suppliers are Michelin, Dunlop, Pirelli as OEM with IRC or VeeRubber aftermarket.

Since Trials manufacturers are relatively small, and the market quite specialized; the modern trials bike built for the masses is, with the exception of fine-tuning, identical hardware to the motorcycles rode by the World Champions.
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:38 PM   #12
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I got a late start in trials as well. My first trials bike was a 87 Beta tr34r in 1999 soon after that I got a great deal on a 96 Beta techno. After that:
2002 Gas Gas 280 ( new )
2004 Beta 270 ( new )
2005 Beta 270 ( new ) which in my present ride.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:08 PM   #13
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I got a late start in trials as well. My first trials bike was a 87 Beta tr34r in 1999 soon after that I got a great deal on a 96 Beta techno. After that:
2002 Gas Gas 280 ( new )
2004 Beta 270 ( new )
2005 Beta 270 ( new ) which in my present ride.
Do you ever see/compete against anyone riding the 90's machines?

I don't know what level(if any) you compete in but I don't even see pics of riders on late 80's,early 90's machines when I look at recent competitions online from my area.Like Lineaway said,they must be stuffed in the corners of garages somewhere.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:37 PM   #14
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If I was looking for an early 90's bike I think I would stick with GG or Beta, just because those bikes are still available today and I would think part would be easier to get.

There was nothing wrong with my Aprilia in the day (except for being a little heavy and slow steering), but I've heard parts are drying up. And the other big player back then was Fantic, who is still in business, but hasn't imported a bike for a long time.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:12 AM   #15
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If I was looking for an early 90's bike I think I would stick with GG or Beta, just because those bikes are still available today and I would think part would be easier to get.

There was nothing wrong with my Aprilia in the day (except for being a little heavy and slow steering), but I've heard parts are drying up. And the other big player back then was Fantic, who is still in business, but hasn't imported a bike for a long time.
Fantic is NOT in business. They went tits up in the 90's. But I could be wrong, did they come back to life recently?
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