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Old 01-17-2013, 05:39 AM   #1
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With all this talk about filtering and lane splitting in the US...what would it take?

By that I mean, what would it take to make it legal, and more importantly, accepted? We all seem to know the biggest problem with it in the US is other drivers' perception of filtering/splitting to be "cutting in line" or skipping ahead.

So what would it take? Adding elements to driver's ed? A massive PSA campaign? Why hasn't the AMA ever tackled this issue in force? Isn't the AMA supposed to speak for motorcyclists? I'd join if they were making a bold effort to allow lane splitting everywhere. A lot of people complaining about it -- but is anyone actively trying to change it?
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Old 01-17-2013, 05:59 AM   #2
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It iz legal now in the golden (shower) state! http://www.chp.ca.gov/programs/lanesplitguide.html
Sum peeps over on BARF worked together with the pig gubment to come up with sum guidelines 'n shit.
The rest of y'all in them other states should do the same. (1st bone up on the Hurt report.)
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:38 AM   #3
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I just do it anyway if things are at a standstil. Most people don't seem to give a **** even cops.

Here is a couple threads with pics form my helmet camera of me filtering houston freeways (always under 20mph).

Gets a little tight at times, and riding those domes that devide the lanes can suck.

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...ight=filtering

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...ight=filtering
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:41 AM   #4
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So what would it take? Adding elements to driver's ed? A massive PSA campaign? Why hasn't the AMA ever tackled this issue in force? Isn't the AMA supposed to speak for motorcyclists? I'd join if they were making a bold effort to allow lane splitting everywhere. A lot of people complaining about it -- but is anyone actively trying to change it?
My 2 (Euro) Centimes:
You need a trial in one area to pilot it. Fight to only get the accident stats considered after at the earliest, the first year. IE once car drivers are used to it and once the motorcyclists themselves have started to learn where the limits are in this particular aspect of motorcycling. If it's only a month's trial, you'll get a massive spike in accidents, the car drivers will bitch about how bikes are coming out of nowhere and flying by at 100mph and the naysayers will smugly gloat, "this is why it's banned, you're playing with people's lives here, repeal this lunacy".

Motorcyclists need to start doing it regularly, in large numbers; the single biggest thing to train car drivers to it (which is the main thing) is to get used "being filtered past". No one is going to flash their lights or get into a fight at the lights when 100 motorcyclists come past them on their commute. If it's just one lone rider, the psychos will take umbrage at your refusal to waste your life sat in traffic, irrespective of what the law may say on the matter.

The police need to loosen up about what they prosecute you for. By all means keep the traffic laws (other than filtering itself) the same, but turn a blind eye to things like bikes riding over 'no passing' lines in order to filter more safely, provided they are doing so in a way that doesn't harm anyone else.

If enough people start filtering, the journey times come down. Motorcycling as a serious form of transport, as opposed to a recreation, gains recognition. More people commute by bike, rather than just ride at the weekend and accordingly, the average standard of riders' abilities increase. Congestion is eased, not only for those filtering, but for the cagers who are now sharing the road with few cars and parking is no longer quite such a ball-ache, as several bikes can park in one bay. It will also get new blood into motorcycling; plenty of people learn to ride for purely practical reasons of cheap and fast commuting in big cities in Europe, only to find they get bitten by the biking bug and start riding for fun. The 'serious' use of bikes mean that the public perception of us as thrill seeking maniacs and Hell's Angels declines, which benefits us all. Even the thrill seeking maniacs and Hell's Angels.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:55 AM   #5
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It would take one or more legislators in each state to actually give a hoot about what motorcyclists want/need, and sponsor a bill, and then back it through committee, full legislature, etc.

For them, it does not serve enough of their constituents to even bother.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:05 AM   #6
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It would take one or more legislators in each state to actually give a hoot about what motorcyclists want/need, and sponsor a bill, and then back it through committee, full legislature, etc.

For them, it does not serve enough of their constituents to even bother.


Here's a thought: If you're a motorcyclist, consider running for office!


...Or, join a community board, as I have. For the past two years I have been a voting member of the "Traffic & Transportation Committee" for the Community Board ("CB2") which governs the West Village in Manhattan. In my time there I have been party to creating the first new motorcycle-only parking areas in NYC in decades. I've added my voice to every proposed change in this very populated area. And rest-assured, whatever is being discussed, I am listening with an ear towards the impact for motorcyclists.

And, at the start of every meeting, I put my helmet on the table where the committee is sitting. It's subliminal, but I do it to send a message that there are motorcyclists in the community, and not just a bunch of loud-piped weekend warriors.

Fourteen years ago this very same community board tried to BAN all motorcycles from the area. You can bet your ass that would never happen if a motorcyclist were on the CB in 1997!
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:49 PM   #7
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And, at the start of every meeting, I put my helmet on the table where the committee is sitting. It's subliminal, but I do it to send a message that there are motorcyclists in the community
That's a huge part of it. Being one of them, one who happens to ride a motorcycle.

I expect that I will show up to make my case at the various community boards and the State House in a full textile suit, high-vis vest, and FF helmet. While I am talking, I will strip down to my regular business suit, at which point, I will look just like one of them.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:01 AM   #8
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With almost 10% of riders on this very forum stating in a poll that they are against it... I am afraid the unity just is not there to ever make this a reality.

I will simply continue to do is as needed for safety and when there is stopped traffic. I don't need it to be legal. It is the right thing to do and that is enough for me.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:02 AM   #9
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One of the cities in AUS just legalized sharing. (I forget which one) We need studies from their experiences to show its not a dangerous thing to do. If we're lucky, it'll show that its actually better for traffic in a few ways.

AFA getting sharing accepted: massive PR campaign from ABATE and the AMA as well as a concerted effort from local groups pestering their representatives in the state govt.

IOW I don't see it happening any time soon because both the AMA and ABATE are both too concerned with anti-helmet laws and could care less about using MCs as transportation.

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Old 01-17-2013, 07:20 AM   #10
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because both the AMA and ABATE are both too concerned with anti-helmet laws and could care less about using MCs as transportation.
This frustrates me to no end.

However, when I get back full-time, I do plan to make a go of it in MI. Go to the state house and all to present the case. Use the CA info, Hurt report, the assorted euro studies, and when the people ask me if it's safe, I'll cut them off with the helmet law nonsense. I'll even thow in attracting MC tourists who want to try it out and see how great it is.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:40 AM   #11
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:50 AM   #12
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^^^ This ^^^

WA & OR are at least looking into it.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:10 PM   #13
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My 2 (Euro)
Motorcyclists need to start doing it regularly, in large numbers; the single biggest thing to train car drivers to it (which is the main thing) is to get used "being filtered past". No one is going to flash their lights or get into a fight at the lights when 100 motorcyclists come past them on their commute. If it's just one lone rider, the psychos will take umbrage at your refusal to waste your life sat in traffic, irrespective of what the law may say on the matter.
This is the best answer. Start doing it at red lights, then progress to freeways. Just do it!

Several years ago when I started doing it here in Texas, people would get outraged, and it seems like I was the only one doing it. Now I see it more and more often, and cagers seem to be less bothered by it. If there is a wreck on the freeway you will actually see several bikes doing it now. Many a time I have split by a bike, only to see him get behind me and start splitting too. I know we have a lot of Californians moving here, me thinks they are bringing their bad habits with them!
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:58 AM   #14
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Oh yes..... We need one more thing for non-motorcyclists to hate our guts for! I can see it now in Michigan..... Cell ph cameras a flashing while this biker thinks he/she has the right to pass 100 patient cagers waiting in line. Most of us are smarter than that.... we just take another road that is parallel to the jammed up one. We also have the "let me throw my door open, and step out to see what is wrong" syndrome here.KA-BAM............
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:58 AM   #15
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We also have the "let me throw my door open, and step out to see what is wrong" syndrome here.KA-BAM............
I don't know about where you are, but that 'throw open my door' deal gets you a hefty ticket, 100% 'at fault' in an insurance claim and the wrong end of a lawsuit if there's an injury here.
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