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Old 01-19-2013, 07:15 PM   #1
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Harley Beginner's Riding Course ??

I've got a friend at work who's been bitten by the motorcycle bug. He's a new rider, so I advised him to take the California beginner's riding course, get a cheap bike of no more than 600 cc to start, get good gear and wear it, etc. Take it slow.

So I get an e-mail today. He's been to the HD dealer, and they've mostly sold him on taking their own BRC. It's apparently done on 500 cc bikes with this dealer, which strikes me as pretty dumb. When I took the BRC many (many) moons ago, a woman managed to hurt herself by bad clutch control on a 125 cc Rebel. Also, it sounds like they're trying to sell him an XR1200C. I'm not exactly impressed.

But before I shoot my mouth off -- how is the Harley BRC? Anyone take it?
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:10 PM   #2
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Well, I didn't take the Harley course, but recalled reading this

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Did you know that a few years ago the MSF increased the engine size of the motorcycles that could be used for training to 500cc's (so that Harley-Davidson, one of their sponsoring owners, could use there Buell motorcycles for training and thus enhance SALES of their brand) and do you think that was done with your SAFETY in mind?

Rather than SAFETY being their principal training objective, did you know that the Motorcycle SAFETY Foundation changed their curriculum by dumbing it down in order to make is more 'FUN' and 'EASY'?

And did you know that for the first 25 YEARS of motorcycle rider training there was not one single fatality, and then there was one (in Pennsylvania). After that death the Motorcycle SAFETY Foundation dumbed down their curriculum, and in the last seven or eight years there have been no fewer than NINE DEATHS or NEAR-FATAL accidents that have occurred during basic rider training classes? This new dumbed down curriculum is the one you will be taking.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:52 PM   #3
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Ok, the 500 cc bike they use is a Blast. It's a little bike with low power that's perfect for beginners. Doesn't damage when it falls over. The color is embedded into the plastic and buffs out scratches.

That was my wife's first bike and she loved learning on it, before moving on to bigger bikes. She took the msf course,

Any blog or whatever that things the Blast is a full size bike and that it doesn't compare with a 250 from other brands is fact challenged. It's a great bike for a learner course.

From what I understand the Harley course is like the msf course.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:02 PM   #4
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If you read the full post, he was saying that the Blast has the power now that was considered a 'fast bike' not too many decades ago.

That's all. It is considered using today's standards indeed a 'beginner bike'. However, for a complete novice with zero prior experience a 500cc bike with 46 HP can cause far more trouble for you than say, the 20 HP 200cc Suzuki DR that I did my MSF course on just 8 months ago.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:09 PM   #5
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I'd pass and take the standard MSF course. It's more about skill than style. :P
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:25 PM   #6
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If you read the full post, he was saying that the Blast has the power now that was considered a 'fast bike' not too many decades ago.

That's all. It is considered using today's standards indeed a 'beginner bike'. However, for a complete novice with zero prior experience a 500cc bike with 46 HP can cause far more trouble for you than say, the 20 HP 200cc Suzuki DR that I did my MSF course on just 8 months ago.
My Harley today compared to a 1950 motorcycle is considered a fast bike, I rode with people that started on a 50cc bike to a CB750 ohc, being taught is more important than the size of the bike. I would have a hard time finding a bike today that was more difficult to learn how to brake than my 1972 CL350, I guess I could get a new rider on a bike with a twin leading drum brake so they could see how it feels and see how that works out.
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:30 PM   #7
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My Harley today compared to a 1950 motorcycle is considered a fast bike, I rode with people that started on a 50cc bike to a CB750 ohc, being taught is more important than the size of the bike. I would have a hard time finding a bike today that was more difficult to learn how to brake than my 1972 CL350, I guess I could get a new rider on a bike with a twin leading drum brake so they could see how it feels and see how that works out.

Yeah it would be perfectly fine for a new rider to learn how to ride on a 200hp liter bike, no problems at all.
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:38 PM   #8
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Yeah it would be perfectly fine for a new rider to learn how to ride on a 200hp liter bike, no problems at all.
It can and has been done.
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It can and has been done.
Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:31 PM   #10
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If you read the full post, he was saying that the Blast has the power now that was considered a 'fast bike' not too many decades ago.

That's all. It is considered using today's standards indeed a 'beginner bike'. However, for a complete novice with zero prior experience a 500cc bike with 46 HP can cause far more trouble for you than say, the 20 HP 200cc Suzuki DR that I did my MSF course on just 8 months ago.
Have you ridden a Blast? I have. Several times. It is as mild as a 250 to ride. The bike was specifically designed as a beginner bike. It's smaller, lower, longer clutch engagement, lower power at bottom end, easy to steer at low speeds, doesn't damage at low speed tip overs. The guy who wrote that blog has a bone to pick with the msf and is using the Blast as a way to get at it.

It didn't sell well at all. Why? Well, it was a Buell and it's too small for normal size people, once they know how to ride and it's under powered. Wife road it on the highway a few times and then traded it.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:32 PM   #11
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If you read the full post, he was saying that the Blast has the power now that was considered a 'fast bike' not too many decades ago.

That's all. It is considered using today's standards indeed a 'beginner bike'. However, for a complete novice with zero prior experience a 500cc bike with 46 HP can cause far more trouble for you than say, the 20 HP 200cc Suzuki DR that I did my MSF course on just 8 months ago.
I'd love to see the MSF Blast that makes 46 HP. More like 34 at the crank, which turns out to be in the mid 20's (at best) at the rear wheel.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:44 PM   #12
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I'd love to see the MSF Blast that makes 46 HP. More like 34 at the crank, which turns out to be in the mid 20's (at best) at the rear wheel.
My apologies, 34 hp. I reversed the conversion from KW in my head.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:15 AM   #13
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Easier choice for me was that the regular MSF course was $300. I think the local Harley dealer wants $600.
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:45 AM   #14
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Easier choice for me was that the regular MSF course was $300. I think the local Harley dealer wants $600.
Came here to say this... The CMSP/MSF course is $250 ($150 for under-21s). The last time I saw an ad for the H-D class, it was $400.
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:26 PM   #15
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