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Old 01-24-2013, 05:39 AM   #1
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a bit underwhelmed with my new 1200GSA

hey gang..

I picked up a 2012 1200 GSA about two weeks ago.. I've had a 1100GS('98) and a 2005 1200 RT.. and currently own a KTM990 also.. so I have some good history of the boxer and would expect the GSA to crap all over my 990 ADV..

here's my issue.. whilst I've not done any subjective testing per se.. the 1200 GSA seems very tame, whereas the KTM 990 will rip your arms off.. it really has punch. Noting I purchased for two different purposes so all cool.. but, In wondering do the GSA's come in some lamo mode.. cat converter, engine mapping, shitty exhaust, air box restrictions..??

I rang my dealer and he said that run perfect from the first day onward... ie 1km on the ODO... not if this is just 'the way it is' then I'm cool with that.. but do they get better with a pip, removed of the cat converter etc etc..?

I'm sure my '05 1200RT used to go much harder..! The GSA does have very nice low down torque .. but nothing to write home about, overall.

appreciate all thoughts and experiences..!
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:06 AM   #2
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I think what has happened is you ordered a 1000RR and they gave you a R1200GSA

Take it back or give it to me!
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:06 AM   #3
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To answer your question, no, they don't come in "some lamo" mode.

The motor is actually more powerful than the one in your RT (stock config).

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Old 01-24-2013, 06:14 AM   #4
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Well, your KTM weighs 100 lbs less with the same horsepower. WTF do you expect? But I think you nailed it--the GSA is just a really shitty bike.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:17 AM   #5
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Really? Two words: test ride?
You purchased a ~ $20,000 vehicle without testing it to see if you liked it before buying?

Ship that sick puppy over to me and I'll ride it for you until it starts to perform.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:19 AM   #6
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They do loosen up some after a few thousand miles. And work the higher rpm's. They are more lively over 5000 rpm's.

But is won't be an arm ripper like the KTM. It'll get you up to (and past) legal speeds plenty fast though.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:08 AM   #7
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My .02

I've owned two KTM950's (but not a 990) and both a R1100GS and a R1150GS Adventure. And am now a new owner of a 2013 R1200GS Adventure for just a few weeks and a few hundred miles. So, I do have 50K+ miles experience on the KTM950's and 150K+ miles on oilhead BMW's.

When I came to select a new adventure bike I considered both the KTM990 and the R1200GS Adventure. I selected the BMW despite the fact that is cost a lot more money. Reasons: Primarily I did it as I wanted one of the last air/oil cooled boxer motors before they do to the water cooled models this summer. Secondarily, both the PITA (pain in the ass) of the maintenance of the KTM bothered me as it was a royal pain to do a valve adjustment, etc.. and the fact that, IMHO, the KTM950 lacks the torque that the BMW has. Meaning, the KTM was a hell of a lot of fun but I felt like I had to row the gearbox a LOT to keep it in the power band where I wanted it. I live in Colorado so we have less power up here.

I think the fact that the BMW has more torque, or at least it feels like it does, works better for me. When I'm out touring around or playing with the sport bikes I am not shifting all day. That was very appealing. The 2013 GS Adventure to me is a lot of fun and does very well in the twisties but it is not going to feel like the KTM and vice versa. If I was going for a long journey (1000+ miles) I'd pick the BMW every single time over the KTM.

The bike doesn't feel lame to me. It runs just fine right out of the box and the stock exhaust has a nice snarl to it compared to the R1100GS and R1150GS Adventure bikes which DID sound like sewing machines. I think BMW has made a lot of good progress with the latest GS.

Just my .02.

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Old 01-27-2013, 08:52 PM   #8
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I've owned two KTM950's (but not a 990) and both a R1100GS and a R1150GS Adventure. And am now a new owner of a 2013 R1200GS Adventure for just a few weeks and a few hundred miles. So, I do have 50K+ miles experience on the KTM950's and 150K+ miles on oilhead BMW's.

When I came to select a new adventure bike I considered both the KTM990 and the R1200GS Adventure. I selected the BMW despite the fact that is cost a lot more money. Reasons: Primarily I did it as I wanted one of the last air/oil cooled boxer motors before they do to the water cooled models this summer. Secondarily, both the PITA (pain in the ass) of the maintenance of the KTM bothered me as it was a royal pain to do a valve adjustment, etc.. and the fact that, IMHO, the KTM950 lacks the torque that the BMW has. Meaning, the KTM was a hell of a lot of fun but I felt like I had to row the gearbox a LOT to keep it in the power band where I wanted it. I live in Colorado so we have less power up here.

I think the fact that the BMW has more torque, or at least it feels like it does, works better for me. When I'm out touring around or playing with the sport bikes I am not shifting all day. That was very appealing. The 2013 GS Adventure to me is a lot of fun and does very well in the twisties but it is not going to feel like the KTM and vice versa. If I was going for a long journey (1000+ miles) I'd pick the BMW every single time over the KTM.

The bike doesn't feel lame to me. It runs just fine right out of the box and the stock exhaust has a nice snarl to it compared to the R1100GS and R1150GS Adventure bikes which DID sound like sewing machines. I think BMW has made a lot of good progress with the latest GS.

Just my .02.

Tom
On the head. I started from scratch last spring. Had owned and sold both KTM 990 ADV. and 950 SE. I tried them all over again and ended up with the GSA. Hands down the best all a rounder on the market.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:34 PM   #9
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Gsa and...

If you are fortunate enough to own more than one bike at a time, as the OP states he does, you are in a perfect world.
The GSA is the bomb, almost all the bike anyone would every need as a primary or road trip bike... Your second bike option could be a speed bike. Take your pick, EVERY manufacturer has a couple of bikes that fit the bill.
I am fortunate that I picked up a used 07 GSA and for tearing up the backroads and fulfilling the "need for speed" , I have a 1200 HP2 MegaMoto!
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:22 AM   #10
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They do loosen up some after a few thousand miles. And work the higher rpm's. They are more lively over 5000 rpm's.
True - They are real tight when new... Starts to loosen up and feels real smooth between 5 and 8 K miles.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:12 AM   #11
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Mine has just hit around 3,500 miles and it definitely feels more peppy than it did when I bought it 6 months ago, with 990 miles on it.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:16 AM   #12
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True - They are real tight when new... Starts to loosen up and feels real smooth between 5 and 8 K miles.
+1. My selling dealer told me 6000 miles to get settled/broke in and he was correct. First oil change at 600 miles, second at 6000 followed up with a 5000 mile and I am . It just runs better and better.

Expectations and perceptions for each person if different. I have a Tiger 1050 to ride for an arm stretching hooligan fix when needed.
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Old 01-25-2013, 04:51 PM   #13
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Really? Two words: test ride?
You purchased a ~ $20,000 vehicle without testing it to see if you liked it before buying?
That's essentially how Canadians are forced to buy bikes. I don't know any dealership that allows you to test drive new motorcycles. The insurance companies will not provide insurance coverage for test rides. The only chance you have for a test ride is when the manufacturer comes to town with their roadshow and brings a handful of demo bikes for a day. You have to sign up way in advance to get one of the eight slots per bike.

I was surprised that it was accepted to drop over $20k on a bike haven never drive it before.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:02 AM   #14
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funny...I rode my GS over to the KTM dealer and test rode a brand new 990Adv, and was seriously underwhelmed. Really didn't understand what all that KTM 'hooligan' talk was all about.

In the end, I think I didn't give it a fair shake and need to ride one that has a few thousand miles on it. Same goes for the GS if i remember, took a little time to get everything seated properly and broken in.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:31 AM   #15
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Thanks guys.. Hey, I love the GSA...I REALLY do...was cruising on it tonight..awesome bike. I absolutely loved my 1200RT .. So my most recent boxer memories are of that. Then I traded it for a k16GT...now that is one amazing motorbike..but so heavy.. So coming from a stable consisting of a ktm990 adv and a k16gt screaming power is something you get used to...not that it's needed of course..!

I got the GSA as primarily an on road bike...meaning any listed roads on the map, sealed or unsealed..and the ktm, she's my go anywhere bike..they're both good at their own jobs.

Thanks for the input..just need to get used to the GSA's power delivery...love the shaft drive again and very nice torque.!


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